American Politics from 2019 on

[Cunt]

Thanks, but why did the bank go along with a higher value?

And who was the victim? Who lost, and how?

[Tero]

Trump started business ventures such as his NJ casino. His overvaluing his properties resulted in all the other investors losing money. Those are the victims. Similar things happend with Trump LLC. All those contracted for building and other work etc lost money. Trump bailed out before each failure. You do this with shell companies.

Here: https://www.managementstudyguide.com/in ... ompany.htm

I'm saving phone data today. Billing cycle ends Tue.

[Tero]

In other words google it yourself. How Trump made money by bankruptcy.

[Cunt]

I was asking specifically about this Mar-A-Lago fraud.

Someone lied about the value of the property, and it cost someone.

Who did it cost? The bank? The loan was paid back...

It's ok though, I also have weird data limits. I'll just wait to see what it sells for next time, to see who was closer to honest. It sure looks like the prosecutor is full of it.

[Joe]

Not following the case, but maybe the indictment or judge's ruling would provide answers.

[Tero]

Cunt, we are the victims of tax fraud. All tax payers.

[Cunt]

Which doesn't say much about why the experts (lenders and property owners) used a value that is high, and the court is claiming that the value is lower.

If the court is wrong, are they doing a fraud?

[Cunt]

That Abramovich lady seems interesting.

Weird that she is going to look after the Ukrainian kids in crisis, but I guess it's important to get a real professional in there.

[rasetsu]

Which doesn't say much about why the experts (lenders and property owners) used a value that is high, and the court is claiming that the value is lower.

If the court is wrong, are they doing a fraud?

It must suck to be ignorant.

[Cunt]

Which doesn't say much about why the experts (lenders and property owners) used a value that is high, and the court is claiming that the value is lower.

If the court is wrong, are they doing a fraud?

It must suck to be ignorant.

Not at all. In Biden's case, it's given him the white house, and now he's gonna build Trump's wall!

It must suck to have supported him publicly, after all this.

[L'Emmerdeur]

So accusations should be supported by robust evidence, eh?

Trump has recently been accused of fraud, for over-valuing a property (Mar-A-Lago). The bank lending him money though, agreed on his valuation.

Do you dismiss this show trial because the evidence is bad? Or will you be hoping they get him this time, regardless of how stupid the case against him is?

If you do think Trump is guilty of something in this case, do detail who the victim is. Also which value of Mar-A-Lago is closer to the accurate market value? The prosecutors? Or the bank and Trump?

Not that I expect you to bother with facts, but here we go...

The Trump Organization (not Trump himself) has already been found guilty of tax fraud, and Trump himself has been found liable for fraud. It's not just an accusation, so your whole schtick here is apparently based on ignorance.

The current trial is to determine just how much Trump and the Trump Organization will have to pay for the crime for which they have already been judged. You claim that the 'evidence is bad.' Apparently it was good enough to result in a guilty verdict, so your claim is unfounded unless you have more to support the claim than your own willingness to take Trump's side regardless of the facts.

NPR, a VERY unbiased news source, surely.

They don't mention that Mar-A-Lago detail. Weird.

In a statement, the Trump Organization criticized the verdict and promised to appeal, arguing that blame should fall on the company's executives and not on the firm itself.

"The notion that a company could be held responsible for an employees' actions, to benefit themselves, on their own personal tax returns is simply preposterous," the statement read.

CNN, another VERY unbiased news source, barely touched on it.

The sources support my statement: The Trump Organization has already been found guilty, and Trump himself has been found liable for the fraud. You seemed to be unaware of these facts and I didn't expect you to believe me when I presented them, absent a recognized source. If Tim Pool or some other brilliant person believes that they have not been found guilty and liable (and therefore you believe it as well) so be it.

What I was asking about. The Mar-A-Lago part...where someone lied about it's market value. Do you think it more likely that a lender was incorrect, the property owner borrowing against it, or the prosecutor?

Because if there was a lie there, it might be easy to find, by examining the value of that property.

Mar-a-Lago has been appraised by the county assessor as being worth at most about $27 million. It was claimed by the organization to be worth in the neighborhood of $500 million. But it was not just the valuation of Mar-a-Lago that was at issue. The judgement was based on a widespread practice by the Trump Organization of lying about the value of its properties. The judgement has been appealed but that doesn't negate the fact of the judgement having been handed down.

'This show trial' as you put it is not to determine the fact of the fraud; that has already been determined. It is to determine the amount that the Trump Organization will be required to fork over for the fraud of which it is guilty. You can stand on the sidelines JAQing to your heart's content and cheering Trump on, but it's not going to change the facts.

[Cunt]

It wasn't 'the Trump organization'. It was the bank, too. Both assessors disagree with the judgement from far away.

By the way, was that judgement based on evidence, or hating Trump?

The value of 27 million is stupid. If you believe it, then the bank should also be charged with fraud. Unless of course it is Trump they are pursuing, rather than justice.

Now, on to other interesting political news, James O'Keefe just released a statement about his ongoing litigation.

https://t.me/OKeefeMediaGroup/619

JUST IN: I received a cease and desist from Protect Democracy's lawyers. For the sake of full transparency, I'm sharing it with you.

The letter, dated Oct. 5 from Pittsburg firm Ogg, Murphy & Perkosky, is accusing me of further defamation -- because I'm quoting their lawsuit and quoting all these these lawyers arguing in white papers against their own legal strategy.

That upsets them. This all stems from a story I did in 2020 based off a news tip. You'll remember that Pennsylvania letter-carrier Richard Hopkins alerted us to possible voter fraud when he shared a tip that his boss, the postmaster in Erie, Pennsylvania, might be back-dating ballots.

If Protect Democracy is worried about the privacy of this postmaster, they are going to turn him into a household name with this lawsuit. 

The letter goes on to accuse ME of defaming this federal employee -- a postmaster, who is demonstrably a public figure -- just because people are trolling. I am not responsible for what anyone else says on the internet.

At O'Keefe Media Group, we are committed to telling true stories, no matter who they upset. Like I've said before, I'm happy to take arrows from all sides. Threats like this won't stop me, they will only make me more vocal and dig deeper. 

Personally, I am looking forward to entering the courtroom with these folks and defending the First Amendment from attack. 

Why is this happening now?

Why is Trump mentioned 197 times.

They're doing this because I am teaching YOU how to dig, investigate, and report on corruption in your own communities. I am only one person, but with your support, this movement will spread like wildfire across the country. They don't just want to shut me up. 

They want to shut YOU up too.

Funny how the journalism faded at PV after he left, and the money evaporated, while at OMG the investigations seem to be ramping up, and must be funded well enough.

Almost like there has been a bias against O'Keefe so sharp, that people just spout angrily and believe anything negative about him.

[rasetsu]

[Cunt]

Thoughtful AND relevant.

In other news, Trump has mentioned his case publicly. Probably worth a lot more than all the people who aren't involved and their comments.
https://t.me/real_DonaldJTrump/16218

The Racist Attorney General of New York convinced a New York Judge that Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach, was worth 18,000,000, when it may be worth 100 times that amount. They juggled my numbers in a fraudulent manner in order to make their Fake Case against me believable. This ridiculous suit should be immediately dropped. Appellate Division should intercede. These people, like Jack Smith, are DERANGED!

[Cunt]

Even Biden is supporting Trump policies now. At least those policies are no longer racist.