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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:49 pm

We have observations, refined datasets, and robust conclusions and practical predictive models built thereon. Climate Science deniers dispute the conclusions but they offer no alternative explanation for what is being observed and recorded - they say it's just wrong just because it's just wrong. When Climate Science deniers start providing robust conclusions, practical predictive models, and refined datasets which account for what we actually observe then they'll be entitled to debate the issue, because then they'll be engaging in science rather than relying on moralising hyperbole and empty rhetoric. lol
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Post by Tero » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:48 pm

Trump's friend Putin gave N Korea oil:
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:31 pm

Tero wrote:Trump's friend Putin gave N Korea oil:
Exclusive: Russian tankers fueled North Korea via transfers at sea - sources
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nort ... SKBN1EN1OJ
Anonymous sources = fake news, amirite?

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Post by Tero » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:40 pm

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:20 am

Tyrannical wrote: But here we have Trump not talking just about the weather, but Record Cold Temperatures, that ain't just the weather. That's Climate.
It's literally not, particularly when it is a single record. :fp:
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Post by Tero » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:58 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:It's a common conceit of science deniers to deliberately confuse today's weather with global climate trends. Really, this isn't a 'debate' with two sides - this is just about those who respect evidence and those who have a pathological urge to cast uncomfortable facts as unknowns and/or lies.
You are absolutely right.

The Real science deniers are the ones who support the 'unfalsifiable pseudo-science of global warming'.

They use weather and anecdotes all the time, too much rain, too little rain, too hot, too cold, Must be Climate Change!


But here we have Trump not talking just about the weather, but Record Cold Temperatures, that ain't just the weather. That's Climate.
Oh, and these are real temperatures. Not the fudged, adjusted, or estimated data that pseudo-science warmers use to perpetuate their lies.
The number of warm days per month will increase under predictions. In Scandinavia, most of the warming falling in the winter half.

Summer comes and they go ”where is this warming?” It’s in the winter.

You have to look at the years, though. Some years will be colder, some warmer. So, it’s of little use in weather forecasting day by fay. It all falls within a predicted range.

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Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:20 am

Wait! Do denialists think a data set from one year in one place constitutes a climate trend?

Also if a data set from one place which is colder than than average constitutes evidence against global warming, then by the same token a higher than average temperature from another place should constitute evidence for, using the same logic.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/e ... 79844.html

But that can't be right! Here we have a record high and a record low happening in two separate places at the same time! Which would suggest, using the denialist method of looking out the window, that climate change is somehow both true and false!
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:25 am

Schrondinger's climate change!
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Post by Tero » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:04 am

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:29 am

Animavore wrote:Wait! Do denialists think a data set from one year in one place constitutes a climate trend?
No, they think that if you have to turn the heating up in the afternoon then Global Warming is a conspiracy.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:59 am

No, they don't "think" at all. They just do what they are conditioned to do by their faulty brains and a well funded campaign of lies by the fossil fuels industry. It's sad.
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Post by Tero » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:35 am

Mostly they deny it because they can’t ”feel it”. Sweden has not turned into Spain.

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Post by Animavore » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:36 am

They're not even good lies. That's what's so fucking stupid about it. And unlike something like creationism it doesn't have age old beliefs to piggy back off of and protect making it hard to understand why It's railed against. It's not even hard to understand like evolution, so it's amazing to me how anyone can be confused by it. It basically say this traps heat and more of this traps more heat. I understood this science aged 11. It's probably the first science I understood.
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Post by tattuchu » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:40 am

Animavore wrote:Wait! Do denialists think a data set from one year in one place constitutes a climate trend?

Also if a data set from one place which is colder than than average constitutes evidence against global warming, then by the same token a higher than average temperature from another place should constitute evidence for, using the same logic.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/e ... 79844.html

But that can't be right! Here we have a record high and a record low happening in two separate places at the same time! Which would suggest, using the denialist method of looking out the window, that climate change is somehow both true and false!
No, no. It's not true at all because, on average, everything is just fine :prof:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:51 am

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