Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

[FBM]

If you know anything about head injuries, they bleed A LOT, even with small blunt force.

I was a vet tech for 10 years. I know a little. Yes, they bleed a lot...for a short while, especially after they've been treated by paramedics.

The spot lite just moves from one spot on his head to another, and that's the lighting.

Low-res image of a moving subject.

The cop looks like he's "telling" something to Zimmerman, not inspecting the back of his head.

Huh? Are we looking at the same video?

Zimmerman's jacket has no stains whatsoever. If you ever had to do kids laundry, you know when they play in the grass, it stains. I don't see any stain at all, or a smudge on the back of his jacket.

Again, low-res image of a moving subject, and neither you nor I know what the jacket looked like before the incident, so it's pretty impossible to judge whether or not it looks different from what it was earlier in the night. I think the report said that his back was wet from lying in wet grass. Whether or not there was grass stains is another issue. One does not always lead to the other, especially in wet grass.

[Tyrannical]

You dimwit, I'm not trying to make it into racial war. I'm commenting on what I heard and reports I read.

Now I'm a dimwit?

Maybe you ought to look at the primary evidence, rather than some agenda-driven secondary source?

You ARE trying to make it a racial thing, because you keep bringing race into it, and you make specific reference to going out and shooting blacks and hispanics. If it's not racial, then why are you putting it in racist terms?

Only because racist crimes by cops done in this country are too many to disregard it. It's a FACT that blacks and hispanics get targeted more often than whites and treated harsher.

When you're told you're ugly enough times, sooner or later you'll start acting like it.

You can always escape the White man's thumb back in Africa. Imagine what could be done if 40,000,000 African-Americans immigrated to and rebuilt Africa

Liberia?

Liberia had much promise and was quite impressive, but not enough non-African Blacks immigrated there to sustain it. I think given another chance and enough immigrants the concept would succeed in a way that post-colonial Black governments have been unable to.

Zimbabwe has a skilled farmer shortage, and the US Government has recently just settled a discrimination lawsuit against African-Americans wishing to take out farming loans Help African-American farmers obtain money and support to farm in Zimbabwe As Blacks, they can mingle and relate with the locals in ways that Whites simply can not.

[Coito ergo sum]

Did Martin just out of the blue, attack Zimmerman? If Zimmerman had followed instructions the dispatcher gave him to "not continue to follow" maybe there would have been no death.

Read the transcript I posted - the entire transcript. According to the transcript, Zimmerman DID follow the dispatcher's instructions. When the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that [follow him]" Zimmerman responded "O.k." -- the remainder of the call is spent with Zimmerman coordinating with the police dispatcher where to meet the police car when they showed up.

On what basis do you claim that Zimmerman chased Martin down?

So, why did Zimmerman still continue to follow and take matters into his own hand.

On what basis do you claim that he did? The audio transcript indicates that he started after Martin, but was told to stand down by the dispatcher, and he abided by that request.

What thoughts were going through his mind to decide, "no, way, I'm going after this guy, I just know, he's up to no good"?

He said was he was thinking to the dispatcher, but he ultimately agreed to wait for the cops, or sit says on the audiotape. He may have been lying, and he was really sprinting after Martin. Do we have any evidence for that, though?

Check out this analisys: http://floppingaces.net/2012/04/03/the- ... ader-post/

[FBM]

Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

[Coito ergo sum]

Ok, let's put aside the racist blanket and look at the video, that is, if you can dig your head out of the mud for a few minutes.

I'm getting sick of your stupid insults.

You can't accuse others having their head in the mud, when you've gotten many of your facts dead wrong.

I've been called retarded, dimwitted and now "head in the mud" - stop it.

[FBM]

Yeah, it would be best for us all to avoid getting personal here. Attack the idea, not the person, that sort of thing.

[kiki5711]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin ... d=16055412

The police surveillance video, first obtained exclusively by ABC News last month and clarified by Forensic Protection, Inc., shows Zimmerman exiting the police cruiser with his hands cuffed behind his back. Zimmerman is frisked and then led down a series of hallways, still cuffed. At one point, one of the officers stops to look briefly at the back of Zimmerman's head.

There was no obvious sign of any injury to Zimmerman's head or face on the video until it was enhanced.

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But Dr. Vidor Friedman, president of the Florida College of Emergency Physicians, remains unconvinced.

"If somebody had been beating his head against concrete I'd think we'd see more obvious scrapes," Friedman said. He also said he would expect to see bandages on Zimmerman's head.

More significantly for Friedman was the condition of Zimmerman's nose.

"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined. You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like his nose was broken or badly broken," Friedman said.

Police Video Surveillance of George Zimmerman

The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and his lawyer later claimed that Zimmeran suffered a broken nose. After receiving medical attention at the scene of the shooting, it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He did not check into the emergency room following the police questioning.

The surveillance tape of Zimmerman, later released by the Sanford Police Department, could be used as evidence if Zimmerman is brought up on charges, sources tell ABC News.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Craig Sonner, has said his client felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.

The case has gained national prominence with rallies across the country demanding that Zimmerman be arrested and charged with murder.

[Coito ergo sum]

Enhanced surveillance images of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who admitted shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, appear to show a bump, mark or injury on the back of his head

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... olice-say/

[Warren Dew]

I'm not saying that I would like to live in an all black neighborhood because I have a bleeding heart, and I get super annoyed with the hispanics playing their annoying music super loud, and every hispanic family has at least 2 five year olds at any time in their house, or having two to three families living together, and having they use the emergency room as their family doctor, for which I the tax payer, have to foot the bill, while they keep all their tax free cash.

Wow, some serious racism against hispanics there. So why is it you wouldn't like to live in an all black neighborhood again? They're full of hispanics?

[Warren Dew]

With regard to the new video, it isn't just enhancement. The police released the original, higher resolution version of the video, and you can already see the injuries on that version. The enhancement just makes them more clear. And the policeman does wipe his hand on his pants after touching Zimmerman's jacket, so it seems like there's quite a bit of staining or something there.

[kiki5711]

But Dr. Vidor Friedman, president of the Florida College of Emergency Physicians, remains unconvinced.

"If somebody had been beating his head against concrete I'd think we'd see more obvious scrapes," Friedman said. He also said he would expect to see bandages on Zimmerman's head.

More significantly for Friedman was the condition of Zimmerman's nose.

"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined. You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like his nose was broken or badly broken," Friedman said.

[kiki5711]

Enhanced surveillance images of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who admitted shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, appear to show a bump, mark or injury on the back of his head

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... olice-say/

"Once again, George Zimmerman was the aggressor. He pursued Trayvon in this instance. If he did have any medical injuries, that did not give him the right to use deadly force and shoot and kill Trayvon."

I'm still not convinced about the head injury. Forensic Protection.com is a private company and there's been so much involved in this case that it wouldn't be improbable that they were paid to make the enhancement look that way.

I'd like to see an independent inhancement of the video by a different company.

[FBM]

Which images was Dr. Friedman looking at? The low-res ones or the better ones? Did he examine Zimmerman personally? If not, his opinion would be worthless compared to those of the paramedics on the scene or the doctor(s) who saw him when he did go to the hospital. Irrelevant authority fallacy, I think, unless he has access to some images or first-hand experience with examining Zimmerman that the rest of us don't.

[kiki5711]

Which images was Dr. Friedman looking at? The low-res ones or the better ones? Did he examine Zimmerman personally? If not, his opinion would be worthless compared to those of the paramedics on the scene or the doctor(s) who saw him when he did go to the hospital. Irrelevant authority fallacy, I think, unless he has access to some images or first-hand experience with examining Zimmerman that the rest of us don't.

So far, I have not seen any statements from the paramedics or any emergency response reports. Maybe that is off hands for later evidence, don't know.


That's why I would like for ANOTHER forensic co. to retest the video and see if there's any comparison or not.

[kiki5711]

I'm not saying that I would like to live in an all black neighborhood because I have a bleeding heart, and I get super annoyed with the hispanics playing their annoying music super loud, and every hispanic family has at least 2 five year olds at any time in their house, or having two to three families living together, and having they use the emergency room as their family doctor, for which I the tax payer, have to foot the bill, while they keep all their tax free cash.

Wow, some serious racism against hispanics there. So why is it you wouldn't like to live in an all black neighborhood again? They're full of hispanics?

Well Warren, I said it so you wouldn't have to.