Should the 'west' make a pre-emptive strike in Iran?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That whole area needs a cold boot.

[Feck]

Yes we should start pre-emptive strikes on every body who is out of favour with the West this week ,If it all fucks up we can arm them again if we need them to attack their neighbours . After all we in the west do have an absolute moral authority to mess with any country we like .

Yep.

the fun thing is when the truth comes out that the 'west ' used every means fair and foul to rig elections ,discredit elected governments , arm drug dealers , Moslem fundamentalists , and unelected Despots : The answer is 'Well they were on our side' .

Then we have the hypocrisy to claim that we are some how on the side of justice or Freedumb and that our actions are somehow guided by a moral code while we still trade and arm leaders of any country sympathetic to 'our' aims no matter what their human rights abuses are . 'We' torture people 'we' enable genocide while ignoring Untold horrors across the globe that we could stop but see no profit in .

Ask what the country so proud of it's Freedumb after shaking of the colonial yoke was doing in the Philippines ? ask why We had to go to war to save Kuwait but helped the invasion of East Timor . Ask why we promised Palestine to the Palestinians but gave it to the Jews ,Why did we fight a war against Facists but leave Franco ?

This shit we are fed makes me vomit 'we' in the west mess with things we have no right to and then wonder why it blows up in our faces .

'we' were happy to let Saddam use chemical weapons and happy to fund him in a war that killed millions (?) against Iran and now we cry because the Iranians rattle a sabre. And don't even try to use religion in the argument while 'we' still suck up to OPEC .

[Warren Dew]

In 1981, they crossed Jordanian space (briefly) and then went over Saudi Arabia. The Saudis can't have been too distressed by the Iraqi nuclear program being stopped (although they backed Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war IIRC). But there's no evidence they colluded with the Israelis. The Israelis wouldn't find it so easy to get through Saudi air space this time though, and the Iranian defences wouldn't be asleep the way the Iraqis were even if the Saudis let them through.

I'm pretty sure the Israelis would be even more motivated to allow an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Valid point about the Iranian defenses, though - and it is a much longer and more difficult mission.

IIRC, I started a thread a couple of months ago about pretty much the same topic, but with North Korea as the target. Seeing as how NK already has nukes and has openly stated their intent to weaponize, seems that'd be the logical place to start pre-emptives, wouldn't it?

Indeed it does.

[Feck]

In 1981, they crossed Jordanian space (briefly) and then went over Saudi Arabia. The Saudis can't have been too distressed by the Iraqi nuclear program being stopped (although they backed Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war IIRC). But there's no evidence they colluded with the Israelis. The Israelis wouldn't find it so easy to get through Saudi air space this time though, and the Iranian defences wouldn't be asleep the way the Iraqis were even if the Saudis let them through.

I'm pretty sure the Israelis would be even more motivated to allow an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Valid point about the Iranian defenses, though - and it is a much longer and more difficult mission.

IIRC, I started a thread a couple of months ago about pretty much the same topic, but with North Korea as the target. Seeing as how NK already has nukes and has openly stated their intent to weaponize, seems that'd be the logical place to start pre-emptives, wouldn't it?

Indeed it does.

Well it would do ..does NK have oil ?

[Feck]

Yes we should start pre-emptive strikes on every body who is out of favour with the West this week ,If it all fucks up we can arm them again if we need them to attack their neighbours . After all we in the west do have an absolute moral authority to mess with any country we like .

I don't think anyone is suggesting that "out of favor" be the test.

Grow up .

[Santa_Claus]

Got to remember that not everyone east of Milton Keynes wants to be our freinds. No matter what they may say.

Remember the Niggers and the Coolies? For other societies in the world that's the rightful place in the pecking order of "you" and yours.

A world full of rainbow coloured people holding hands and singing kumbiya? LOL.

Nuke 'em whilst they can't fire back.

twice.

Fuckin' Welsh. that'll teach 'em to get all Muslimed up.

[Rum]

Why do you hang around here? I wish you wouldn't.

[Santa_Claus]

Why do you hang around here? I wish you wouldn't.

You are not very good at the grooming thing are you

[Rum]

Why do you hang around here? I wish you wouldn't.

You are not very good at the grooming thing are you

Groom your arse bruther!

[Feck]

Got to remember that not everyone east of Milton Keynes wants to be our freinds. No matter what they may say.

Remember the Niggers and the Coolies? For other societies in the world that's the rightful place in the pecking order of "you" and yours.

A world full of rainbow coloured people holding hands and singing kumbiya? LOL.

Nuke 'em whilst they can't fire back.

twice.

Fuckin' Welsh. that'll teach 'em to get all Muslimed up.

Was that humour ?was it to add to the debate? or was it just Trolling ? more posts like that and you will lose every 'freind' you were likely to find on this forum.

[FBM]

Well it would do ..does NK have oil ?

They ought to. We've been shipping them millions of gallons of the stuff for years now.

[Coito ergo sum]

Yes we should start pre-emptive strikes on every body who is out of favour with the West this week ,If it all fucks up we can arm them again if we need them to attack their neighbours . After all we in the west do have an absolute moral authority to mess with any country we like .

I don't think anyone is suggesting that "out of favor" be the test.

Grow up .

Your the one with the overly-simplistic, juvenile position that the west just attacks anyone who is "out of favor." They don't. You're wrong. Face it.

Suggesting that there might be a preemptive strike against an apocalyptic regime with nuclear weapons and an announced intention to commit genocide is a far cry from suggesting that anyone "out of favor" should be attacked.

[macdoc]

Should is not the question....how well "they" - whoever "they" is......is more to the point.

The first real cyber weapon.....Peter Hamilton would be proud. Great read

Technology
Mystery Surrounds Cyber Missile That Crippled Iran's Nuclear Weapons Ambitions

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/ ... ambitions/

[Robert_S]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 2bc83f.311

I say we sell the Saudis a few missiles and/or planes and let them do it themselves.

[eXcommunicate]

I say we sell the Saudis a few missiles and/or planes and let them do it themselves.

We've sold them enough planes already for them to do the job. They want us to do it, of course.