Your net is no longer neutral buddy!

[Scot Dutchy]

Your Dutch mindset seems to inhibit you in understanding plain English and reasoning. What you need to provide authoritative evidence for is not that each vote varies minutely in strength, but that that means that what the UK has isn't democracy. Where is your authoritative definition of democracy that backs up your opinion that the UK isn't a democracy?

Look at the constituency sizes and number of voters or do you have problem with numbers. The commission admits the constituencies are not equal and says a further change is required.

Non comprende?

[Scot Dutchy]

You think a two party system is democracy? Black and white with no greys? The Anglo-Saxon mind set. Adversarial. Them and us. Your with us or agin us?

Pathetic.

[pErvinalia]

Your Dutch mindset seems to inhibit you in understanding plain English and reasoning. What you need to provide authoritative evidence for is not that each vote varies minutely in strength, but that that means that what the UK has isn't democracy. Where is your authoritative definition of democracy that backs up your opinion that the UK isn't a democracy?

Look at the constituency sizes and number of voters or do you have problem with numbers.

Aaaaand there you go again. When you can't construct a rational argument you turn to abuse.

The commission admits the constituencies are not equal and says a further change is required.

Non comprende?

Yes, I understand that constituencies aren't all the same size. But you still haven't provided an authoritative definition to back up your opinion that this all of a sudden makes it not a democracy. Are you going to provide one? Save yourself the high blood pressure and further embarrassment and just admit you are never going to provide anything other than incredulity and biased opinion.

[Rum]

(Edit: in response to S D's last post)

You are beginning to sound like you are ranting. You can't simply define democracy as the system you happen to think is best. It takes many forms.

Perhaps you haven't left your Scottish mind set behind.

[pErvinalia]

You think a two party system is democracy? Black and white with no greys? The Anglo-Saxon mind set. Adversarial. Them and us. Your with us or agin us?

Pathetic.

There's your Dutch mindset, being again unable to offer anything by way of argument other than argument from incredulity and ignorance. Ironically you are the one being black and white. It's either a perfect democracy like the Netherlands ( ) or it's not democracy. Black or White, no greys..

[Scot Dutchy]

You think a two party system is democracy? Black and white with no greys? The Anglo-Saxon mind set. Adversarial. Them and us. Your with us or agin us?

Pathetic.

There's your Dutch mindset, being again unable to offer anything by way of argument other than argument from incredulity and ignorance. Ironically you are the one being black and white. It's either a perfect democracy like the Netherlands ( ) or it's not democracy. Black or White, no greys..

I dont have to offer any argument as there is none but your Anglo-Saxon mind set is just so blind. So equal voting is for you not important? What other argument is required? You prefer gerrymandering with parties moving borders. Well good luck to you. You get the government you deserve.

[cronus]

If you'd let women run things for a while you'd make up for thousands of years of male domination culture. Real democracy involves historic context not equal voting rights. A woman's vote should count for two and a mans vote for one. At least until the majority of influential world leaders are female.

[Scot Dutchy]

(Edit: in response to S D's last post)

You are beginning to sound like you are ranting. You can't simply define democracy as the system you happen to think is best. It takes many forms.

Perhaps you haven't left your Scottish mind set behind.

Name any system that is as fair and equal as pure PR? Go on name one.

[Rum]

I'm not arguing about the relative fairness of the various systems - just against your insistence that the system in 'your' country is the only true democratic system.. There are advantages to PR, to FPTP and no doubt to all the variants there are. In addition democracy is in place to different degrees in many countries. In America they vote for everyone from the dog catcher, the sheriff to the President. Here in the UK we vote for the people who organise out rubbish collection for fuck's sake.

You however, with your blinkered Netherlandian mindset are insisting that PR is the one and only true form of democracy. I and pErv and others have pointed out the simple fact that this simply is not the case. Simples!

[pErvinalia]

You think a two party system is democracy? Black and white with no greys? The Anglo-Saxon mind set. Adversarial. Them and us. Your with us or agin us?

Pathetic.

There's your Dutch mindset, being again unable to offer anything by way of argument other than argument from incredulity and ignorance. Ironically you are the one being black and white. It's either a perfect democracy like the Netherlands ( ) or it's not democracy. Black or White, no greys..

I dont have to offer any argument as there is none but your Anglo-Saxon mind set is just so blind. So equal voting is for you not important?

Where did I say that it wasn't important?

What other argument is required?

One that is backed up with evidence. That's what's usually required when you make a claim.

You prefer gerrymandering with parties moving borders. Well good luck to you. You get the government you deserve.

There's your Dutch mindset again, making shit up instead of providing evidence for your claims.

[Scot Dutchy]

I'm not arguing about the relative fairness of the various systems - just against your insistence that the system in 'your' country is the only true democratic system.. There are advantages to PR, to FPTP and no doubt to all the variants there are. In addition democracy is in place to different degrees in many countries. In America they vote for everyone from the dog catcher, the sheriff to the President. Here in the UK we vote for the people who organise out rubbish collection for fuck's sake.

You however, with your blinkered Netherlandian mindset are insisting that PR is the one and only true form of democracy. I and pErv and others have pointed out the simple fact that this simply is not the case. Simples!

I am not blinkered. You are with this Anglo-Saxon mind set. Just because the UK is an old government does not mean it is a democracy. The early days it was very corrupt with people selling their vote. You have not proved anything.
You can have many systems of government but only one is democratic.
If you dont accept pure PR as the only true option of democracy then you are not for pure democracy.

[Scot Dutchy]

There's your Dutch mindset again, making shit up instead of providing evidence for your claims.

The evidence is simple: equal votes. You have great problem understanding that. You are talking about systems of government I am talking about democracy. The two are not the same.

[pErvinalia]

Still no evidence for your claims? That Dutch mindset must really suck.

[Rum]

I'm not arguing about the relative fairness of the various systems - just against your insistence that the system in 'your' country is the only true democratic system.. There are advantages to PR, to FPTP and no doubt to all the variants there are. In addition democracy is in place to different degrees in many countries. In America they vote for everyone from the dog catcher, the sheriff to the President. Here in the UK we vote for the people who organise out rubbish collection for fuck's sake.

You however, with your blinkered Netherlandian mindset are insisting that PR is the one and only true form of democracy. I and pErv and others have pointed out the simple fact that this simply is not the case. Simples!

I am not blinkered. You are with this Anglo-Saxon mind set. Just because the UK is an old government does not mean it is a democracy. The early days it was very corrupt with people selling their vote. You have not proved anything.
You can have many systems of government but only one is democratic.
If you dont accept pure PR as the only true option of democracy then you are not for pure democracy.

You just made up a rule there - out of thin air. If I don't believe that you are right and I am wrong then I am not a believer or supporter of 'true' democracy? LOL!

Enough of this stupidity. Here's the Cambridge dictionary definition. You can argue with the writers there if you like>

democracy
noun UK ​ /dɪˈmɒk.rə.si/ US ​ /-ˈmɑː.krə-/
​
B2 [ U ] the belief in freedom and equality between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves:

B2 [ C ] a country in which power is held by elected representatives:

[Scot Dutchy]

How are they elected?

Notice this bit: "equality between people". You are not talking about democracy but government systems.