Anti-semitism and Labour

[JimC]

What gets me is that we have to accept jews without question. We question islam and xtianity but never jewism. Zionism is pure evil. It has nothing to do with peace. It just keeps pouring oil on the fire.

Weird. Zionism just means accepting Israel has a right to exist.

I don't know what it 'just' means today, but originally it meant that a Jewish homeland has a right to exist at the expense of the Palestinian people who were unfortunate enough to live there.

It's not at anyone's "expense" any more than Australia exists at the "expense" of the Aborigines. Nobody questions your right as a white person to live in Australia, and you don't even have the millennia of history there that the Jews have in the Levant.

Even given an acceptance that Israel is here to stay (and clearly in a realpolitik sense it is), the real issue is how Israel currently treats its Palestinian citizens, particularly the continual encroachment on Palestinian property via the settlement program, a program that is carried out typically by the more rabidly religious Jews, and tacitly supported by the current administration.

[pErvinalia]

What gets me is that we have to accept jews without question. We question islam and xtianity but never jewism. Zionism is pure evil. It has nothing to do with peace. It just keeps pouring oil on the fire.

Weird. Zionism just means accepting Israel has a right to exist.

I don't know what it 'just' means today, but originally it meant that a Jewish homeland has a right to exist at the expense of the Palestinian people who were unfortunate enough to live there.

It's not at anyone's "expense" any more than Australia exists at the "expense" of the Aborigines. Nobody questions your right as a white person to live in Australia, and you don't even have the millennia of history there that the Jews have in the Levant.

What does that have to do with the original goal of Zionism? It most certainly was at the expense of the Palestinians who where living there. They lost their homes and land. Only you in your pro-Jewish zealotry could not see that.

[Brian Peacock]

What gets me is that we have to accept jews without question.

Of course we do. Should we show the same respect to others we'd expect them to show us? Why shouldn't we accept Jews?

[Svartalf]

israel is a bandit state that exists on mostly stolen land, and by terrorizing such of the native population as have not been killed or driven away.

You make it sound like every single state on the planet wasn't forged in conflict.

You seem particularly irritated that the Jews have got some of their land back from the people who drove them off it in the first place. Very odd.

After 2000 years of absence and more or less peaceful, undisputed occupation by other semitic tribes, the status of limitations has come to play and it's not 'their' land anymore... good old Joe Jugachvili gave them Birobizhan where they could be home and settle without causing major trouble... they chose to invade Palestine, a densely populated area instead, they have none of my sympathy... they were oppressed, but they retained none of that lesson, they are worse than the

[Svartalf]

What gets me is that we have to accept jews without question.

Of course we do. Should we show the same respect to others we'd expect them to show us? Why shouldn't we accept Jews?

in what way do you mean 'accept the Jews'? I mean, they are perfectly welcome to live in France...

[Rum]

Yeah - it's all those Dutch people we have to accept here in the UK that bug me.

[Svartalf]

well, never mind, once you're out the EU, you can start expelling them... there'll still be the matter of the fucking Germans in Buckingham, and Kensington, and Windsor, and Balmoral

[Scot Dutchy]

All the Brits here. They have their own schools and everythink...
Are their Dutch schools in the UK?

What I mean by acceptance is this. I dont have to accept any religion and I can say it and openly criticise it. With jews and partially muslims here there is a hidden social protocol that you cant criticise them. Of course any strong criticism of islam and you are put by some in the same camp as Wilders although Wilders never criticises jews as he was raised in Israel.

[mistermack]

Jeremy Corbyn has caved in and has been apologising and stuff.
His own supporters don't like it, and have been openly saying that he has been apologising far too much.

If he had any balls, he would have said what he thinks about Israel, and attacked the people who use antisemitism as a smokescreen for defending zionism.

But he's got a whiff of power, and now will compromise and say anything they want to get it.

Just like the people he's been attacking for just that all his political life.
Just one more hypocrite.

We've all got it. It's just a question of price.

[Strontium Dog]

It's not at anyone's "expense" any more than Australia exists at the "expense" of the Aborigines. Nobody questions your right as a white person to live in Australia, and you don't even have the millennia of history there that the Jews have in the Levant.

What does that have to do with the original goal of Zionism? It most certainly was at the expense of the Palestinians who where living there. They lost their homes and land. Only you in your pro-Jewish zealotry could not see that.

I think you need to brush up on the history of what actually happened in that region, especially in the first half of the 20th century. Regardless, Israel is there, and it's not going anywhere. That's not "pro-Jewish zealotry", it's recognition of reality.

[Svartalf]

well, the Persians are on the way to getting the Atomic bomb,n with aid from Pakstan or NK if they have to, once they are ready there'll be a lot of glassy areas in the region...

[pErvinalia]

It's not at anyone's "expense" any more than Australia exists at the "expense" of the Aborigines. Nobody questions your right as a white person to live in Australia, and you don't even have the millennia of history there that the Jews have in the Levant.

What does that have to do with the original goal of Zionism? It most certainly was at the expense of the Palestinians who where living there. They lost their homes and land. Only you in your pro-Jewish zealotry could not see that.

I think you need to brush up on the history of what actually happened in that region, especially in the first half of the 20th century. Regardless, Israel is there, and it's not going anywhere. That's not "pro-Jewish zealotry", it's recognition of reality.

I never said that was part of your pro-Jewish zealotry. One only needs to look at the blinkered shit you've posted about Israel over the years to know that you have no critical thinking abilities in this sphere. Oh, and I also never said that Israel needs to go somewhere. Indeed, I've repeatedly said that while the creation of Israel was a mistake, it's here to stay now and rightly so.

[laklak]

What gets me is that we have to accept jews without question.

Of course we do. Should we show the same respect to others we'd expect them to show us? Why shouldn't we accept Jews?

Well they did kill Jebus. That's what Sister Mary Agnes told us.

[Strontium Dog]

I never said that was part of your pro-Jewish zealotry. One only needs to look at the blinkered shit you've posted about Israel over the years to know that you have no critical thinking abilities in this sphere. Oh, and I also never said that Israel needs to go somewhere. Indeed, I've repeatedly said that while the creation of Israel was a mistake, it's here to stay now and rightly so.

Instead of accusing me of having "no critical thinking abilities in this sphere", why don't you explain why you think that, and then I can point out why you are wrong.

I think the creation of Australia was a mistake. So there.

[JimC]

I'm beginning to think hominid evolution was a mistake...