The lynching of Harvey Weinstein

[Forty Two]

You know exactly what a 'grope' is in this context.

Really?
I've been groped many times. Never did me any harm.
But groping by a female Weinstein would be a different matter.
It's all groping though.

Women are allowed to grope. It's not assault or harassment, it's a reward.

I've never been groped. Clearly it depends on the circles one hangs around in. MM is 'old school labour' with cigar smoking dykes and the like, so it isn't surprising he was on the receiving end. I hung out with liberal feminist type Labour party members where the protocols involved prior to having any kind of sexual contact were long, arcane and fraught with traps and potentially catastrophic career destroying hazards..

I've had my butt smacked and grabbed. Women are, I've found, touchy if they like you. Mostly it's the touch on the arm, though. The body language is that if a woman touches your arm, or your tie (if you're wearing one), you should immediately reciprocate with a light tough on the arm or hand (not an in an overly suggestive way, just an "i like you too" touch).

But, in my younger days, I had women I was sitting next to at parties slide a hand up my leg under the table and check me for a hernia, so to speak...they never asked me first, but then again, even right now, if one of the ladies in my office touched my package, I would definitely say "thanks, but no thanks..." -- but it wouldn't be anything I would let bother me much. And, nobody would take my complaint seriously anyway - it would be "she gave your package a squeeze - you said no - move on."

In our culture, it's just different standards - if a female coach of a male sports team, for example, smacked a player on the butt, it would be considered sexist to say she shouldn't do that (because male coaches do that here and there). However, if a male coach of a female team smacked a player on the butt, that would be unacceptable. It's just not appropriate to touch a woman, where it would be no big issue to touch a man, because there is still a different interpretation of the sanctity of a woman's body as compared to a man's body. It's like language - much of present day feminism is pretty much equivalent to "you can't say that to a woman" or "you can't do that to a woman" as opposed to "you can't say that to anyone" or "you can't do that to anyone."

[Forty Two]

Who the fuck said women are allowed grope men? I hate women grabbing me inappropriately out of nowhere. What a fucking pathetic justification of groping. Pointing out that someone else does/is 'allowed' do something does not excuse doing it oneself.

I've come to expect nothing more from people who voted a disgusting piece of shit as a President and defended his disgust every step of the way.

It's de facto allowed because there is no enforcement of the law of assault in that way when it comes to a non-physically injurious touching of a grown man by a woman. It's allowed, because if I was at a college party, and a woman slid her hand up my leg and touched my willy, and I got up and reported it to the school, nobody would do anything about it. If I went to the police and reported a "sexual assault" they would look at me like I was nuts.

Just think of the difference in treatment under the law of the following two scenarios:

John Smith, President of Big Oil Company, is accused of sexual assault. His administrative assistant, Jane Doe, claims that Smith, after having had a few drinks, groped her when he put his arm around her at a party and he slid his hand down and touched her buttocks. Jane immediately turned and smacked him across the face, and reported the incident to Human Resources, which has opened an investigation.

vs.

Jane Doe, President of Big Oil Company, is accused of sexual assault. Her administrative assistant, John Smith, claims that Doe, after having a few drinks, groped her when she put her arm around him at a party and she slid his hand down and touched his buttocks. John immediately turned and smacked her across the face, and reported the incident to Human Resources, which has opened an investigation.

And, really, these situations should be treated differently. Her smacking him in the first example is not a big deal, and him smacking her is a big deal. And, his touching her buttocks is, in our culture, worse than her doing it to him. Is that really all that controversial?

[Forty Two]

Well whatever he has or has not sone the current publicity and international opprobrium he is undergoing would sink most people. I find myself having just a bit of sympathy for what he must be going through emotionally at the moment.

Well I say that. He could be so thick skinned it doesn't bother him all that much. If it was me (which it wouldn't be!) I think I would probably just kill myself at this point.

I'd not be able to do what he's alleged to have done to women. This whole answering the door in his bathrobe, trying to convince them to help him change and dress, and constant requests for massages, and stuff, I mean, I wouldn't be able to deliver those lines. I'm more of a, "would you like to go get a drink" kind of guy.

Plus, the guy has been wealthy for like 30 years, and a powerful mogul, does he really need to debase himself to get women? Shit, there are mobs of women out there who'd polish his knob gladly, no matter how homely he is. I can probably go out this afternoon and by the end of happy hour have a girl blowing me in my car, and I'm nobody.

[Forty Two]

Rose McGowan fights back: Amazon studio head Roy Price put on indefinite leave after actress reveals he said her 'HW' rape story was not credible and lesbian producer claims he told her 'you will like my dick' at work event

I've been clicking through articles on that bit. I'm not sure what Roy Price did. Someone named Hackett claims he repeatedly made lewd comments to her. But, the articles are short on details - when, where, why, how? He also said McGowan's rape charge was not proved/credible - well, that's an opinion, not harassment of anyone. McGowan doesn't work for him. Not sure why he would be put on leave on the say-so of Hackett and on his accurate statement that a rape allegation had not been proven. But, that's up to Amazon, and subject to Price's contract with Amazon, so whatever. It smacks of a public relations move to get the dogs off them. I hadn't seen the "lesbian producer" comment, but any comment taken out of context is hard to evaluate. Were they joking with each other at the time? If it was a "work event" were they engaged in banter?

[Brian Peacock]

Oh, it's all so confusing for us men - even when they're gagging for it they don't want us to touch them!!! We're all so bloody emasculated, boo hoo, wail, gnash teeth, rent robes etc.

How many more times are we going to be treated to hand-wringing excuses and interminable red-herring debates about 'mixed-signals' and 'gold-diggers' when some predatory celeb hits the headlines?

[Scot Dutchy]

Please: "Us men". Dont count me in there.

[Rum]

I think he was taking the piss. Youve been out of Britland so long you can't irony any more!

[Brian Peacock]

He'll never work in Hollywood again, so they say, though with his experience and track record I suppose he could always run for president.

[Rum]

..or a DJ for the Beeb.

[mistermack]

Please: "Us men". Dont count me in there.

Someone who wears a skirt and moved to Holland?

I wouldn't.

[laklak]

Imagine wanting to be famous so much you would actually fuck something that loathsome. I wouldn't give him a half a hand job for a starring role. But he can bum me for $50.

Money is money, mate.

[Rum]

If you don't listen to Mayo and Kermode's film review you should. It is brilliant - here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lvdrj

Kermode had a mini rant on this week's show (yesterday) about this appalling guy who has a long history of bullying let alone anything else of a sexual nature. And what is more Kermode didn't wait for the more recent news about his antics and the band wagon that is rolling at the moment. He addressed the bullying and controlling nature of his business dealings directly with him in an interview some years back.

He sounds like an utter penis head. Let's hope he sinks without trace.

[Forty Two]

Oh, it's all so confusing for us men - even when they're gagging for it they don't want us to touch them!!! We're all so bloody emasculated, boo hoo, wail, gnash teeth, rent robes etc.

How many more times are we going to be treated to hand-wringing excuses and interminable red-herring debates about 'mixed-signals' and 'gold-diggers' when some predatory celeb hits the headlines?

Who is doing this?

[JimC]

Oh, it's all so confusing for us men - even when they're gagging for it they don't want us to touch them!!! We're all so bloody emasculated, boo hoo, wail, gnash teeth, rent robes etc.

How many more times are we going to be treated to hand-wringing excuses and interminable red-herring debates about 'mixed-signals' and 'gold-diggers' when some predatory celeb hits the headlines?

Who is doing this?

mistermack, for one...

[Hermit]

Oh, it's all so confusing for us men - even when they're gagging for it they don't want us to touch them!!! We're all so bloody emasculated, boo hoo, wail, gnash teeth, rent robes etc.

How many more times are we going to be treated to hand-wringing excuses and interminable red-herring debates about 'mixed-signals' and 'gold-diggers' when some predatory celeb hits the headlines?

Who is doing this?

mistermack, for one...

No. At least not in this thread. He did get on to his "women are manipulative", "women do it for the money" and "women make false accusations" routines, though.