Brian Peacock wrote:Forty Two wrote:What does it matter what I believe? Was what I wrote accurate? If not, how have I got it wrong?
It's not about what you believe but what you communicate. Your ironic tone would suggest that you don't think gender is or can be fluid,
Again, if it doesn't matter what I believe, then why do you keep bringing up what you think my real beliefs are when you "read between the lines." What i wrote was an accurate statement of the progressive left view of it, wasn't it?
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that it bears some relation to physical form and therefore physical form denotes what pronoun should apply,
This is the opposite of modern gender studies theory, which holds that the physical form is not indicative of gender.
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that it is some kind of natural fact determined at birth, so that a person in a female body should always and only ever be seen as and referred to as female, and that people should not undermine this kind of natural fact by requesting that others respect their understanding of who and what they think and feel they are.
That isn't what I believe or said. However, the difficulty with the logic behind the gender/sex dichotomy theory is that sex is, in fact, determined when an animal is conceived. It's in the DNA. The gender, while often suggested to also be "born this way...", is actually not, and the proponents of the modern gender theory seem to want it both ways. Gender is something we "identify" as and it is "fluid" so it can change over time, but whatever one identifies as at any given time, they want to say is determined for them, and they were "born this way."
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If you don't think any of this why do you keep banging on about it and sneering at those who express a contrary view?
Well, because issues are fun and interesting to discuss, for one thing. Issues of gender and sexuality are not sacrosanct. Religious people say stuff like that. If you don't believe in god, why do you keep arguing about whether he doesn't exist? Why do you keep banging on about god or religion if you don't believe any of it? Well, because (a) it's interesting, (b) it's philosophical, (c) it effects our culture, law and daily life and therefore every citizen has a right to discuss the issues. That kind of thing -- same for the gender issues.
Sneering at those who express a contrary view? Like discussions with religious folks, it's really very hard to get someone in that camp to focus and present exactly what their view is in any coherent form. It's all very mushy. But, much my "sneering" (I'd suggest comical mockery and light ridicule, but if you prefer sneering as a term, fine), involves discussions where something from the progressive, identity politics camp is said that appears self-contradictory and strange. Like when some SJW person argues that wearing a Trump hat is "hate speech," and that "all white people are racist, all cisgendered people are transphobic, all straight people are homophobic....", or when they claim to be interested in equality but actively protest funding for a men's mental health center, or when they claim to be for free speech, but they disrupt peaceful conferences being held in college classrooms and pull fire alarms or commandeer stages and threaten speakers....or when a professor calls for "muscle" to get a student reporter off of public property because she didn't want a rally filmed and reported on, or when Yale identity politics weirdos accost a professor because the professor's wife said that adults in college don't need someone telling them what Halloween costumes to wear....or when they bleat on about women being discriminated against in universities when women make up 60% of the students, 60% of the graduates, and receive more financial aid and campus support programs than men....when when they bleat on about "wage gaps" when almost all of any identified difference in wages results from (a) the number of hours worked, and (b) the choices in careers where women tend to choose lower paying industries and jobs and men tend to choose more difficult and dangerous jobs that tend to be higher paying. That kind of thing.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar