Is democracy too important to leave to the peeps?

[JimC]

Come to Oz, Jonno. We currently have a deficit of pessimists...

[Meekychuppet]

Whatever the reality there seems to be a general consensus that the exiteers were conservative (small C), patriotic little Englanders with rather too much paranoia about the impact of all them ferreners and the remainers were liberal lefty (small L) cheese eating hipsters who were happy to be overrun.

Imagine a world where stereotypes aren't always applicable. That's known as reality. You might like it there.

[rachelbean]

Sorry, but those saying leave voters are all racists are really missing the point and a bit tone deaf. I voted remain (and believed in it very strongly) but I know several intelligent and thoughtful people who voted leave and their reasons have NOTHING to do with immigration. Do you really live in that little of a bubble that you can't conceive of someone with differing opinions than you who aren't complete idiots?

[JimC]

Sorry, but those saying remain voters are all racists are really missing the point and a bit tone deaf. I voted remain (and believed in it very strongly) but I know several intelligent and thoughtful people who voted leave and their reasons have NOTHING to do with immigration. Do you really live in that little of a bubble that you can't conceive of someone with differing opinions than you who aren't complete idiots?

Did you mean to say "leave voters are all racists"?

I'm sure it's true that a significant number of leave voters were not racist and had other reasons they considered valid, but from all I've read, a fair number were in the racist (or at least anti-immigration) category. I would imagine that virtually all those British people with a fair dash of racism voted leave...

[Brian Peacock]

Come to Oz, Jonno. We currently have a deficit of pessimists...

Just don't go there by boat.


Too soon?

[DaveDodo007]

What did the general public know about leaving the EU before the vote? What were they voting on? What did they know about the EU other than the warped commentary provided by Paul Dacre, Richard Desmond and Rupert Murdoch? Do you really think people like this are motivated by a desire to inspire the public to stand against totalitarianism - or is that just a convenient 'story'?

You will have to ask them, though it would mean talking to people and gasp some people might disagree with you. I trust the general population far more than I trust the media or the government.

And again, because you dodged the question, where do the general public get the information on which to base their, by your lights, trustworthy opinions?

Sorry grandad, us yoofs have this thing called the Intertubes or something, whatevar. You know us non sheep people don't listen to the corrupt MSM. We can seek out the truth and disregard the agenda pushing MSM.

Indeed, and the yoofs voted overwhelmingly to Remain.

Lolwat, 35% of them only bothered to vote. Democracy is for the old as they are the ones who take it seriously. I was joking because only naive fools and the yoof take the mentally ill lefty/liberal position seriously.

[DaveDodo007]

The youth understood far better what the results of Brexit would mean to their future lives. People in London, Scotland and Northern Island on the whole knew as well.
For many is was a protest against the government which of course was not the question. It was mess being fought out by members of the Bullingdon club. Whether is was coincidence it is hard to say but you might say the ultimate prank carried out by people who live in stratosphere of society. Such pranks were not unknown to the club who have been banned from every watering hole in Oxford. The trouble was it all backfired as the gullibility of British society was totally underrated in certain areas.

You really are beyond hope. All those working class people who have been ignored by the eliteist. globalist selfish cunts are not allowed to voice their opinion that they are being ignored and sold down the river by self interest politians. Why do you hate the working class? Why do you hate poor people?

[DaveDodo007]

You will have to ask them, though it would mean talking to people and gasp some people might disagree with you. I trust the general population far more than I trust the media or the government.

And again, because you dodged the question, where do the general public get the information on which to base their, by your lights, trustworthy opinions?

Sorry grandad, us yoofs have this thing called the Intertubes or something, whatevar. You know us non sheep people don't listen to the corrupt MSM. We can seek out the truth and disregard the agenda pushing MSM.

Indeed, and the yoofs voted overwhelmingly to Remain.

Dave's an old conservative trapped in a yoof's body. Young and conservative... What a fucking embarrassment!

Yeah I kind of miss those awesome lefty/liberal parties were you can't say this, can't do that, can't listen to this, can't watch that. It is fun, fun and fun when lefty/liberals are around. Christ you are godless puritans and no mistake. Work at a shitty job and want to let your hair down at the weekend well fuck you the lefty/liberal joymops are here spoil your fun. Lefty/liberals are weaponised misery and don't you dare have any fun when they are around.

[JimC]

So true, Dave, so true...

Why, if it wasn't for gin, I would have slit my throat long ago...

[DaveDodo007]

I know right? The remain side are all angelic little snowflakes for whom the notion of lying is an offence to their humanity.

What nonsense.

The five stages of grief: anger, denial, bargaining, depression, acceptance. You're currently at denial. You'll get through it eventually.

Who is in denial? You cant see reality; Brexit will not happen. Do you understand. I T W I L L N O T H A P P E N.

Now just get used to it.

HO it is happening alright. We British have never trusted you eurofags ever and we never will. Bon voyage losers and fuck off.

[rachelbean]

Sorry, but those saying remain voters are all racists are really missing the point and a bit tone deaf. I voted remain (and believed in it very strongly) but I know several intelligent and thoughtful people who voted leave and their reasons have NOTHING to do with immigration. Do you really live in that little of a bubble that you can't conceive of someone with differing opinions than you who aren't complete idiots?

Did you mean to say "leave voters are all racists"?

I'm sure it's true that a significant number of leave voters were not racist and had other reasons they considered valid, but from all I've read, a fair number were in the racist (or at least anti-immigration) category. I would imagine that virtually all those British people with a fair dash of racism voted leave...

Sorry, yes, fixed my post..

[rachelbean]

I know right? The remain side are all angelic little snowflakes for whom the notion of lying is an offence to their humanity.

What nonsense.

The five stages of grief: anger, denial, bargaining, depression, acceptance. You're currently at denial. You'll get through it eventually.

Who is in denial? You cant see reality; Brexit will not happen. Do you understand. I T W I L L N O T H A P P E N.

Now just get used to it.

HO it is happening alright. We British have never trusted you eurofags ever and we never will. Bon voyage losers and fuck off.

And this is why some people think you're a joke...

[Tyrannical]

When EU courts and tribunals can over rule UK laws and UK judges, you can't really say the UK was a sovereign nation while in the EU.

[JimC]

Again, from what I've read, some of those issues of the EU encroaching on aspects of national sovereignty were important components in mustering the leave vote, and I can understand why they were considered valid arguments for leaving.

[MrJonno]

Sorry, but those saying leave voters are all racists are really missing the point and a bit tone deaf. I voted remain (and believed in it very strongly) but I know several intelligent and thoughtful people who voted leave and their reasons have NOTHING to do with immigration. Do you really live in that little of a bubble that you can't conceive of someone with differing opinions than you who aren't complete idiots?

I know a few so called intelligent people who voted leave, they were generally rich , couldn't give a toss about the EU but thought there was far too many Muslims in the country.

So not all idiots but all a either idiots or racists. In post Brexit world I am utterly determined to be more careful who I associate with , ie determined to work out which bubble I'm in (everyone is in a bubble). There are some family members who I can't imagine I will ever be talking to again