David Bowie. The Loon effect.

[mistermack]

I quite liked the laughing gnome at the time.
Hearing it again though, the song is suspiciously like "Puppet on a string", Sandi Shaws Eurovision smash hit, which was released just before, especially the intro.
Dunno who was copying who, but it seems too much of a coincidence.

[cronus]

I quite liked the laughing gnome at the time.
Hearing it again though, the song is suspiciously like "Puppet on a string", Sandi Shaws Eurovision smash hit, which was released just before, especially the intro.
Dunno who was copying who, but it seems too much of a coincidence.

Who cares now? It gave him his big break. No one would have taken him seriously without it.

[piscator]

Good artists borrow, great artists steal.

Until Devogue posts some art he's created, his opinions are just his opinions.

[devogue]

Good artists borrow, great artists steal.

Until Devogue posts some art he's created, his opinions are just his opinions.

My opinions are just my opinions even if I post the greatest art ever, which is always a possibility.

[piscator]

Aye, but they'd be founded in reality, instead of mortuaried in the crystal flames of your infrequent muse.
Such is often the rub. Fireflies.

[pErvinalia]

You're not going to beat devogue at word games. But it will be fun to watch..

[devogue]

Aye, but they'd be founded in reality, instead of mortuaried in the crystal flames of your infrequent muse.
Such is often the rub. Fireflies.

An opinion is a personal reaction to the reality of a piece of art.

A great many people hold the opinion that Adele is a magnificent artist. My opinion differs. Who is right and who is wrong? Nobody, and it doesn't matter anyway apart from the fact that a good old argument or disagreement is good fun.

[piscator]

Art as a spectator sport? The opinions of observers, more or less casual?

I think there's more going on than that.

[mistermack]

Aye, but they'd be founded in reality, instead of mortuaried in the crystal flames of your infrequent muse.
Such is often the rub. Fireflies.

An opinion is a personal reaction to the reality of a piece of art.

A great many people hold the opinion that Adele is a magnificent artist. My opinion differs. Who is right and who is wrong? Nobody, and it doesn't matter anyway apart from the fact that a good old argument or disagreement is good fun.

Agreed, and well put.
The quality of art is purely subjective. Even though it's tempting to say that some art is undeniably better than other. It's not. It's subjectively better.

It's tempting to take a huge swell of opinion as evidence that the works of Beethoven MUST be superior to the works of Adele. But it's just quantity of subjective opinions.
If you think that the quantities of subjective opinions contribute in some way to an objective value, then I guess Beethoven was better. But the same reasoning would make Adele a great artist, but not as great as Beethoven.

I have the same problem with Michael Jackson as you have with Adele. Only more so, I'm guessing.

[JimC]

When I hear the word Art, I reach for my Luger...

[Svartalf]

Like what this bowie bloke did was art

[JimC]

Possibly a poncing pretender...

[devogue]

Aye, but they'd be founded in reality, instead of mortuaried in the crystal flames of your infrequent muse.
Such is often the rub. Fireflies.

An opinion is a personal reaction to the reality of a piece of art.

A great many people hold the opinion that Adele is a magnificent artist. My opinion differs. Who is right and who is wrong? Nobody, and it doesn't matter anyway apart from the fact that a good old argument or disagreement is good fun.

Agreed, and well put.
The quality of art is purely subjective. Even though it's tempting to say that some art is undeniably better than other. It's not. It's subjectively better.

It's tempting to take a huge swell of opinion as evidence that the works of Beethoven MUST be superior to the works of Adele. But it's just quantity of subjective opinions.
If you think that the quantities of subjective opinions contribute in some way to an objective value, then I guess Beethoven was better. But the same reasoning would make Adele a great artist, but not as great as Beethoven.

I have the same problem with Michael Jackson as you have with Adele. Only more so, I'm guessing.

To add a little to that I would always argue, without fear of contradiction, that Beethoven's technical ability and musicianship is far beyond Adele's but that does not come in to it when their completed art is exposed to a listener and the listener decides that he prefers Hello to the Emperor Concerto. The construction of the art is objective, its impact is subjective.

As for Michael Jackson, a well choreographed entertainer supported by some excellent songwriters. His voice was astonishingly weak, like a little girl pretending to be an angry little boy. It's interesting how he seems to be slipping from public consciousness already.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

[mistermack]

I agree about the construction bit.
I used to do a bit of busking, 45 years ago, around Waterloo Bridge and the Royal Festival Hall in London. So I always took an interest in buskers.
I still remember one down-and-out old woman, who used to sing, and slap the handrail of the metal stairs with her hand, holding a few coins. That was her rhythm accompaniment.

Even though it was "rubbish", it was atmospheric, and it's stuck in my head for approaching fifty years, which is something Beethoven never managed. But then, I never saw him live.

Quality or not, I'd choose to see her again, over the chance to see Beethoven. It's just personal.

[pErvinalia]

I see Ralph Feinnes is set to play Michael Jackson in a new movie (or perhaps it was a series), and people are complaining that a white guy is a black guy. When you put their photos next to each other, Ralph is considerably darker than Jacko.