The inquisition is alive and well, and living in New York.

[Brian Peacock]

"With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side; the other, on the side of the Church. On their own side there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports temporal life. Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."

Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, 1274

Aquinas: not, nor never was, a Christian, apparently.

Yabut he was a Catholic saint, therefore not A True Scotsman Christian.

The funny thing is that if every one of the competing Christian sects, big or small, were correct about who is a Christian and who is not, there'd be no Christians at all.

Indeed, and therein lies the point. What some temporal authority says about who is or is not a Christian is beyond irrelevant because only Christ knows who is and who is not a Christian. Thus the sorting of the sheep from the goats at the 2nd Coming.

I no longer believe your are an agnostic.

[laklak]

Never met a True Christian, I guess. Damn near all of the self-professed Godly Christian Believers I've met have been judgmental assholes. I avoid them whenever possible, and tend to drink a lot if forced to be in their company.

[Seth]

"With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side; the other, on the side of the Church. On their own side there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports temporal life. Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."

Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, 1274

Aquinas: not, nor never was, a Christian, apparently.

Yabut he was a Catholic saint, therefore not A True Scotsman Christian.

The funny thing is that if every one of the competing Christian sects, big or small, were correct about who is a Christian and who is not, there'd be no Christians at all.

Indeed, and therein lies the point. What some temporal authority says about who is or is not a Christian is beyond irrelevant because only Christ knows who is and who is not a Christian. Thus the sorting of the sheep from the goats at the 2nd Coming.

I no longer believe your are an agnostic.

I'm not, and never have been an "agnostic," I'm a non-theistic Tolerist™. How many times do I have to tell you this?

Paraphrasing Christian dogma does not qualify as an expression of belief. You should understand that.

[JimC]

The statement you made: "because only Christ knows who is and who is not a Christian" is one that normally would be only phrased by a christian believer. It is a definite assertion, not qualified by "or so christians would say"

[JimC]

The statement you made: "because only Christ knows who is and who is not a Christian" is one that normally would be only phrased by a christian believer. It is a definite assertion, not qualified by "or so christians would say"

Of course, just like those fellow travellers of marxism, Seth may not be an actual christian.

Just a useful idiot.

[Seth]

The statement you made: "because only Christ knows who is and who is not a Christian" is one that normally would be only phrased by a christian believer. It is a definite assertion, not qualified by "or so christians would say"

It's a logical statement based on my knowledge of Christian theology, not a profession of personal faith, but please excuse me for failing to include the qualifier which I shouldn't have to include every single time I make a statement about Christian theology.

I think it may be time for me to simply stop pandering to your idiotic attempts at fallacious circumstantial ad hominem argumentation and just tell you to fuck off when you try these sort of tactics.

You shall now assume that whenever I mention something about any religious theology other than Tolerism™ that I am speaking of it in the abstract sense and not as a profession of religious belief in whatever I may have cited as an example.

If you (and by that I mean ALL of you here) fail to do so, I'm just going to tell you to fuck off.

So fuck off, Jim.

[JimC]

A useful idiot for christ indeed...

[Seth]

A useful idiot for christ indeed...

When does your seven-day suspension for violating the FUA through this personal attack begin?

[JimC]

A useful idiot for christ indeed...

When does your seven-day suspension for violating the FUA through this personal attack begin?

How many people on this forum have you called useful idiots for marxism?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

[Brian Peacock]

[Seth]

A useful idiot for christ indeed...

When does your seven-day suspension for violating the FUA through this personal attack begin?

How many people on this forum have you called useful idiots for marxism?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

None. Zero. Zilch. All I've said is that socialists are useful idiots for Marxists. This is simply a true statement of fact. Whether or not any particular individual chooses on his or her own to affiliate with or call themselves "socialists" is not pertinent, and therefore calling socialists Marxists useful idiots here is not a personal attack on a member of this forum any more than calling Catholics "catlickers" or any other such group-directed insult is considered insulting members here.

If you don't like the fact that socialists are useful idiots of Marxism, then don't affiliate or identify with socialism. I highly recommend that you do not, because being a useful idiot of Marxism is not a good thing. You are attempting to invoke the "group association" rule from RatSkep in order to censor any disparaging comments about socialists or socialism by whining that you're offended at insults towards socialists and socialism because YOU are a socialist. Why don't you fuck off with that bullshit self-serving and unethical behavior. You don't deserve to be a mod.

Your insult, on the other hand, was quite direct. You called me a "useful idiot for christ," which is a direct personal insult that violates the FUA and should result in a 7 day suspension for you because you deserve harsher punishment because you are a mod and therefore are supposed to know better.

So, when are you suspending yourself for 7 days for your direct violation of the FUA? Or will some other mod step up and do the right thing here and suspend JimC for a week?

[JimC]

Fuck off, Seth...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

You should know better, Jim. Do it again and I will suspend you. Take this as a warning.

Besides, Seth isn't useful at all!

[Brian Peacock]

Paraphrasing Christian dogma does not qualify as an expression of belief. You should understand that.

You weren't 'paraphrasing Christian dogma', you were justifying your point off the back of Christian doctrine. This marks you out as a Christian apologist - a role you seem to embrace with gusto and verve.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Paraphrasing Christian dogma does not qualify as an expression of belief. You should understand that.

You weren't 'paraphrasing Christian dogma', you were justifying your point off the back of Christian doctrine. This marks you out as a Christian apologist - a role you seem to embrace with gusto and verve.

And here they are: Seth, Gusto & Verve!

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