Islamic State

[MrJonno]

How is an economy based on slavery even remotely libertarian.

The very concept of a remotely 'free' people is basically 20th century, in fact its closer to the 2nd half of the 20th century when people regardless of race or sex got the vote

Basically before the 20th century humanity was basically barely out of the caves politically , culturally or technologically

[piscator]

You're welcome.

[Blind groper]

My belief is that the western world is, today, freer and a better place and time to live in, than any previous time. The beginning period of the USA was a time of relative barbarism and hypocrisy.

Of course, my feelings are influenced by the fact that I live in (as do my Australian peers) a country and a time when and where liberty is real, hypocrisy is minimal (except for Tony Abbott), and corruption levels are low. Sadly, that does not yet apply to the USA.

[Svartalf]

my belief is that if the population will let the ISIL do what they do, we need to drop a few neutron bombs where their power centers are.

[Seth]

How is an economy based on slavery even remotely libertarian.

It isn't, and we Americans spent 618,222 American lives to rid ourselves of slavery, which was a divisive issue even at the founding of the nation.

The very concept of a remotely 'free' people is basically 20th century, in fact its closer to the 2nd half of the 20th century when people regardless of race or sex got the vote

Basically before the 20th century humanity was basically barely out of the caves politically , culturally or technologically

But the key principle of Libertarianism, limited government, respect for the rights of individuals, the right to own property, and the right to contract were all highly regarded from the time of the founding, even though culturally women and slaves were excluded.

[Blind groper]

Not just women and slaves. The first USA government, by claiming to be a democracy, was hypocritical in the extreme, and excluded non property owning men from voting. In fact, the vast majority of the population was disenfranchised.

25 years after the formation of the USA, the government showed itself to be more than hypocrites, by supporting Napoleon. The greatest tyrant of the 19th Century was supported by the USA, which claimed to be all for liberty. Is that hypocrisy or what?

Then in 1812, the USA invaded Canada, bent on military conquest. That was an evil act. To this day, the government and the military of the USA have shown themselves to be corrupt, evil and hypocritical. I believe that most American citizens are good people, but why the hell do they let themselves be governed by such corrupt people?

[Tyrannical]

Not just women and slaves. The first USA government, by claiming to be a democracy, was hypocritical in the extreme, and excluded non property owning men from voting. In fact, the vast majority of the population was disenfranchised.

25 years after the formation of the USA, the government showed itself to be more than hypocrites, by supporting Napoleon. The greatest tyrant of the 19th Century was supported by the USA, which claimed to be all for liberty. Is that hypocrisy or what?

Then in 1812, the USA invaded Canada, bent on military conquest. That was an evil act. To this day, the government and the military of the USA have shown themselves to be corrupt, evil and hypocritical. I believe that most American citizens are good people, but why the hell do they let themselves be governed by such corrupt people?

The USA never claimed to be a democracy. We are a republic.
In 1812, Canada wasn't even a country. It was ruled by King George III, the greatest tyrant of the 19th century. Who by the way caused the war by enslaving American sailors.

[Blind groper]

Tyrannical

That is a fallacy that Seth adheres to also.

A republic is a democracy, by definition. A democracy is a system of government in which the leaders are elected by the people. The only difference with a republic is that in a republic, absolutely every one of those leaders has to be elected by the people.

In the UK, a constitutional monarchy exists, making the UK a democracy rather than a republic, because the monarch is not elected. However, that is rather a pointless distinction, since said monarch has no real power.

Most people would see the difference between republic and British style democracy as simply the fact that the republic has a president instead of a prime minister plus titular monarch. But that is a difference that means little, since the prime minister, in most respects, is a watered down equivalent of president, and the titular monarch has no real power. You could reasonably argue that Britain is also a republic. And republics are simply one form of democracy.

[MrJonno]

King George III, the greatest tyrant of the 19th century

Someone really doesn't know what a tyrant is, by the 19th century there were no tyrant kings hadn't been for centuries. They definitely had too much power but it had been on the wane for 700 years.

Mass ownership of slaves that was really tyranny

[Tyrannical]

I certainly never supported slavery. Slavery was a tool that the rich used to impoverish and control the poor and middle class.

[MrJonno]

I certainly never supported slavery. Slavery was a tool that the rich used to impoverish and control the poor and middle class.

I'm sure slavery didnt do much for the wages of workers but I think that sort of misses the point in that it didnt do much for the wages of slaves

[Galaxian]

Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid everyone. Here's a few pointers, research them for yourselves:

1) ISIL, ISIS, IS, were set up & funded, & are still controlled by Israeli & US operatives.
2) Al Qaeda, the precursor of ISIS (or whatever their name is changed to month by month), was also set up & funded by the US.
3) In general ALL the Zionist states, such as Britain, USA, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Egypt, & Saudi, fund & send supplies to Islamic State. Oh, the Zionist vassals have changed their name yet again; to "Daesh". Yeah, keep you off balance... (not difficult to do, is it?)
4) Notice:
a) They NEVER attack Israel or Zionist interests.
b) They only kill local minorities, Muslims & Christians, who are hated by the Chosen People
b) They have no trouble seiling oil.
c) They have no problem selling antiquities.
d) They do Israel's bidding in destroying all Middle Eastern cultural evidence, such as the recent destruction of Mosul Museum. Exactly like what the US army did in the Iraq invasion (Baghdad Museum, site of Babylon, & National Archives). The purpose being to wipe out as much evidence of the origins of civilization as possible, so that it can all be claimed by "The Exceptional People", "The Indispensable People", as the United States likes to describe itself. In other words, other nations are UN-exceptional & Dispensable.
e) And so that the Zionist entity can continue its expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates (see 'Greater Israel' or 'Eretz Yisrael'.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-is ... st/5324815
f) Since humanity is dealing with a malevolent entity that uses ANY distraction, deception, and dissimulation to throw the opposition off-guard, to bamboozle & confuse them, and to use their trust against them, the rest of humanity has no chance. It is steadily being conquered.
As we see, most western countries are already vassals & subjects of Israel, and do its bidding at the merest command to do so. To the extent that Barack Obama is but a local Governor or Consul, as is the US Senate, as are the British, German & French servants of Tel Aviv.

So back to topic; DAESH is a creation of Israel, supported by its provincial subjects (named above). The intention is to make Islam a hated ideology, so that it is easier to dismantle it, balkanize its countries, govern them, take over their assets, & so forth.
THAT is why ISIS/Daesh is not being eliminated. All that's done is an occasional killing of some of its foot-soldiers, while supplies are air-dropped to other of its misinformed & illiterate mercenary fighters.

So, yes, send back the troops, after all, they're dumb cannon fodder. Christians & Muslims killing each other. Gentile against Goy, Goy against Gentile. Two birds with one stone... Oh What a Lovely War!

[Ian]

Brilliant!

[MrJonno]

Wow that's a complex conspiracy theory with Saudi Arabia being a pawn of Israel. I'm not exactly a great fan of Israel but if they are the secret masters behind the Saudi's then that really is very clever

[Blind groper]

Galaxian.

Congratulations. I did not think anyone could be more idiotic than Seth, but you have proved me wrong.