Toldjaso!

[Hermit]

I wonder if Seth even realises we are mocking his absurdist view of what constitutes a communist system?

In reality, what the rest of us are enjoying is democratic government, under the rule of law, with a mixed economy and a more enlightened policy of social service than right-wing hardliners find acceptable.

If the government goes too far in a particular direction, that the majority finds not to their taste, then they risk losing power at the next election. Rather the antithesis of totalitarian communism...

This is only true when the people have the ability to eject those in power if they decide to disregard the will of the majority, which you do not.

How weird, that. I could have sworn we had a change of government a few months ago. Much to my regret, I must say. I hate the new lot, but what can I do? The bastards were voted into office by the majority of our electorate.

Hermit, you are clearly in a delusional state. You need to go back to wearing that tin-foil helmet, then we'll hear no more talk about that weird "changing governments in Oz" crap...

...unless it's effected by rugged, rifle-wielding lolbertardians who prefer to be tyrannised by corporations in a social structure that gives them the illusion of being free men.

[MrJonno]

tyranny of the majority.

Contradiction in terms, if the majority want it then by definition its not a tyranny

Only minorities or individuals can ever be tyrannies, that's what fascism is the strong individual being able to do whatever they want, basically unrestricted individualism

[rainbow]

Wrong. The entire basis of even utopian Communism is that the individual owns nothing, not even his body or his labor.

You read this where, exactly?

The Communist Manifesto and other Marx works.

What part of "from each according to his ability" is unclear to you?

Goodness gracious me.

You take part of a phrase which you don't really understand and then ascribe an entire ideology to it.

...I expect this was some kind of divine revelation?

Please try a bit harder when you present an argument, your not doing yourself any favours.

[Seth]

tyranny of the majority.

Contradiction in terms, if the majority want it then by definition its not a tyranny

Tell that to the Jews who died at Auschwitz et al. Tell that to the 40 million people Stalin murdered.

Only minorities or individuals can ever be tyrannies, that's what fascism is the strong individual being able to do whatever they want, basically unrestricted individualism

This really is one of the most stupid and ignorant things you've ever posted.

[Seth]

I wonder if Seth even realises we are mocking his absurdist view of what constitutes a communist system?

In reality, what the rest of us are enjoying is democratic government, under the rule of law, with a mixed economy and a more enlightened policy of social service than right-wing hardliners find acceptable.

If the government goes too far in a particular direction, that the majority finds not to their taste, then they risk losing power at the next election. Rather the antithesis of totalitarian communism...

This is only true when the people have the ability to eject those in power if they decide to disregard the will of the majority, which you do not.

How weird, that. I could have sworn we had a change of government a few months ago. Much to my regret, I must say. I hate the new lot, but what can I do? The bastards were voted into office by the majority of our electorate.

You can exercise many options but one: putting down a tyrant with force of arms.

[Hermit]

I wonder if Seth even realises we are mocking his absurdist view of what constitutes a communist system?

In reality, what the rest of us are enjoying is democratic government, under the rule of law, with a mixed economy and a more enlightened policy of social service than right-wing hardliners find acceptable.

If the government goes too far in a particular direction, that the majority finds not to their taste, then they risk losing power at the next election. Rather the antithesis of totalitarian communism...

This is only true when the people have the ability to eject those in power if they decide to disregard the will of the majority, which you do not.

How weird, that. I could have sworn we had a change of government a few months ago. Much to my regret, I must say. I hate the new lot, but what can I do? The bastards were voted into office by the majority of our electorate.

You can exercise many options but one: putting down a tyrant with force of arms.

Yeah. We get them down this way all the time. Every morning I wake up, have a look out the window and go: Fuck! There's another tyrannical government. I wish I could do something about them turning up before breakfast all the time, but what can I do? Nothing at all. I lost my well regulated militia through a hole in the pocket years ago.

[surreptitious57]

Democracy is high on the list of Very Bad Things, and it's nothing more than a code-word for the tyranny of the majority

Actually it can function just as well without the majority because any democracy that has the first past the post system can elect all its politicians on a minority vote
But if you are against democracy and communism then what political system do you favour ? You may say libertarianism but that could actually be incorporated into
a democratic model. But as you are against democracy then you would have to favour a libertarianism that existed without democracy. However since libertarianism references the freedom of the individual as does democracy itself then would not such freedom be severely limited or non existent in a non democratic setting. You
recently said that America was the greatest country that ever existed but America is actually a democracy. So you are inadvertently championing the very thing you disapprove of [ unless its greatness has nothing to do with it being a democracy and for that I would like to see specific examples ]

[mistermack]

This really is one of the most stupid and ignorant things you've ever posted.

Hi praise, coming from the master !

You can exercise many options but one: putting down a tyrant with force of arms.

Like Egypt or Iraq or Afghanistan ?

That's the way to do it. And of course, the people who put the tyrant down by force of arms, never become tyrants themselves do they? Naaaaaaaaaah, how could that happen ?

This is infantile stuff.

[Hermit]

Democracy is high on the list of Very Bad Things, and it's nothing more than a code-word for the tyranny of the majority.

It's better than the tyranny of the minority, and that is exactly what will happen in any and every lolbertardian society.

[MrJonno]

But if the minority have natural rights on their side then its not tyranny, its 'freedom'

[Seth]

I wonder if Seth even realises we are mocking his absurdist view of what constitutes a communist system?

In reality, what the rest of us are enjoying is democratic government, under the rule of law, with a mixed economy and a more enlightened policy of social service than right-wing hardliners find acceptable.

If the government goes too far in a particular direction, that the majority finds not to their taste, then they risk losing power at the next election. Rather the antithesis of totalitarian communism...

This is only true when the people have the ability to eject those in power if they decide to disregard the will of the majority, which you do not.

How weird, that. I could have sworn we had a change of government a few months ago. Much to my regret, I must say. I hate the new lot, but what can I do? The bastards were voted into office by the majority of our electorate.

You can exercise many options but one: putting down a tyrant with force of arms.

Yeah. We get them down this way all the time. Every morning I wake up, have a look out the window and go: Fuck! There's another tyrannical government. I wish I could do something about them turning up before breakfast all the time, but what can I do? Nothing at all. I lost my well regulated militia through a hole in the pocket years ago.

That's what the white farmers and ranchers in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) said right after the Mugabe government took away their arms and their lands...and then their lives.

You won't regret it until you do.

I plan not to regret it, ever.

[Seth]

Democracy is high on the list of Very Bad Things, and it's nothing more than a code-word for the tyranny of the majority

Actually it can function just as well without the majority because any democracy that has the first past the post system can elect all its politicians on a minority vote
But if you are against democracy and communism then what political system do you favour ? You may say libertarianism but that could actually be incorporated into
a democratic model. But as you are against democracy then you would have to favour a libertarianism that existed without democracy. However since libertarianism references the freedom of the individual as does democracy itself then would not such freedom be severely limited or non existent in a non democratic setting. You
recently said that America was the greatest country that ever existed but America is actually a democracy. So you are inadvertently championing the very thing you disapprove of [ unless its greatness has nothing to do with it being a democracy and for that I would like to see specific examples ]

The United States is NOT a democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic that uses limited democratic procedures. It's most certainly not a democracy, and was explicitly planned by the Founders NOT to be a democracy because 230 years ago they knew things that evidently you are utterly ignorant of.

[Seth]

This really is one of the most stupid and ignorant things you've ever posted.

Hi praise, coming from the master !

You can exercise many options but one: putting down a tyrant with force of arms.

Like Egypt or Iraq or Afghanistan ?

That's the way to do it. And of course, the people who put the tyrant down by force of arms, never become tyrants themselves do they? Naaaaaaaaaah, how could that happen ?

This is infantile stuff.

Yes, I would agree that your statements above are indeed infantile.

And nobody said it was easy.

[mistermack]

Yes, I would agree that your statements above are indeed infantile.

And nobody said it was easy.

Too right. Getting people to accept a load of bollocks is usually hard work. A job for Macdonalds I think.
But of course, they deal in gristle, not daydreams.

[Hermit]

I could have sworn we had a change of government a few months ago. Much to my regret, I must say. I hate the new lot, but what can I do? The bastards were voted into office by the majority of our electorate.

You can exercise many options but one: putting down a tyrant with force of arms.

Yeah. We get them down this way all the time. Every morning I wake up, have a look out the window and go: Fuck! There's another tyrannical government. I wish I could do something about them turning up before breakfast all the time, but what can I do? Nothing at all. I lost my well regulated militia through a hole in the pocket years ago.

That's what the white farmers and ranchers in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) said right after the Mugabe government took away their arms and their lands...and then their lives.

Silly me. How could I have ignored that Australia is exactly like Zimbabwe.