They are 'shutting' Pirate Bay. Good or Bad?

[Audley Strange]

No. However despite what TA is saying (which is and has been the common view even by law enforcement) it is against technically against the law since you are denying the artist and distributor proceeds from that sale, which is their work. I think that, which is more clearly illegal (same for resale of books games DVDs etc) is more tolerated by law enforcement because that is good capitalist exploitation, the magic talisman of money changes hands. However when it's done for free, clearly Mammon is displeased and thus gets his priests in a pickle. This also included fairly recently complaints about copyright infringements at a Children's Hospice, because they didn't have "licences" for public showings of DVD's and weren't entitled to the books handed in by people.

A clearer head prevailed, but I think the point is made. By blowing money on lobbying for law enforcement to clamp down on piracy (and bewildered law enforcement officers wasting time, like as described above) and coming up with anti-piracy things like DRM, rather than alter distribution, such companies are shitting on their loyal customer base. Pirates have better customer service. The Old Plutocrats are increasingly shit at Capitalism and rather take the operation or die gracefully, they are lashing out. Newer companies (prodcution companies especially) who are trying to altering the old model are increasingly coming up against resistance from the Media Cartels.

[Svartalf]

One big point people have missed is the ridiculous delay between the release of films in different countries (simply for economic reasons) and the fact that there is NO legal outlet for certain TV shows from other countries at the time of release!

There have been films that were released in the US 6 MONTHS before they got a UK airing - what prize for guessing that the box-office takings were decimated by the fact that THE DELAY ALONE meant that half of the country had already seen it before it finally turned up at Showcase!

There have been US TV shows that waited over a year before anyone in the UK (EXCEPT for torrent users) knew they existed - Breaking Bad, The Wire, Entourage, ...

There are shows that died in the US due to lack of viewing numbers but which were loved by ("illegal") viewers throughout the world that only watched them via torrents because there was NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE!

We live in a global economy, with a global marketplace. Gone are the days where you could show a 5 year old TV show to a new market and they would never have heard of it! Teh timez, Tehy iz a chayngin!

Agreed its not about copyright its control they want to control their product and the internetz don't allow them to do that.

Pirate Bay has been blocked by Eircom in this country the last three or four years. Just go to torrentz.com to get a list of similar sites.

They tried to do it in australia to by saying stealing is unaustralian.

Somebody remind them whom they used to populate Oz?

[Robert_S]

Pirates have better customer service.

That sums it up nicely I think.

[Svartalf]

And here. Anyone use the TOR system out of interest?

What's TOR?

I've seen mention of TOR cache while trying to get torrents for this and that... but that was always redirects and I don't know what it is.

[Svartalf]

When I buy a used CD, is that piracy?

It's not, but the RIAA would want your lawmakers to make it so.

[Rum]

And here. Anyone use the TOR system out of interest?

What's TOR?

I've seen mention of TOR cache while trying to get torrents for this and that... but that was always redirects and I don't know what it is.

'The Onion Ring'. Its a system using proxies etc to gain anonymity with your internet activity. It would make file sharing untraceable from what I read.

here: https://www.torproject.org/

[Thumpalumpacus]

And what does this have to do with intellectual-property rights, anyway? Downloading affects independant producers as well as industry insiders.

Really? Good luck pirating an indie artist. Good luck pirating an old made for TV movie. Piracy deals mainly with the mainstream.

Illicit downloaders can, and do, target lesser-known targets too. If it's online, it's susceptible.

Also, notice you didn't address my main point.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Access The Pirate Bay from here:-

http://come.in/

[Jason]

http://thepiratebay.sx/

Works for me.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

^ Blocked from here.

[Pappa]

There's a gazillion Pirate Bay proxies. It takes 3.7 seconds to find a new one.

[Jason]

Every 10/6 seconds, torrent traffic uses an entire jiggawhat of electricity worldwide.

[Pappa]

Every 10/6 seconds, torrent traffic uses an entire jiggawhat of electricity worldwide.

Think of the energy saving compared to producing all those CDs and DVDs.

[JimC]

Every 10/6 seconds, torrent traffic uses an entire jiggawhat of electricity worldwide.

Think of the energy saving compared to producing all those CDs and DVDs.

And transporting them...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Every 10/6 seconds, torrent traffic uses an entire jiggawhat of electricity worldwide.

Think of the energy saving compared to producing all those CDs and DVDs.

And transporting them...

Not to mention the money wasted on employing people to try and tax them!