lol @ American law enforcement

Post Reply
User avatar
egbert
Posts: 781
Joined: Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:46 pm
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by egbert » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:42 am

Seth wrote:The "white guy in Louisana" didn't shoot the Japanese exchange student merely because the student went to the wrong house by mistake, he shot the student because the drunken, violent Japanese exchange student at the wrong house tried to break into the white guy's house repeatedly, and despite being told many times he would be shot if he didn't desist, and despite being presented with a frightened homeowner visibly armed with a handgun, the drunken, violent Japanese student continued to advance on the homeowner in a manner which reasonably lead the homeowner to believe his life, or his wife's life, was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury, which justified his firing his gun.

Lesson: Don't get drunk and wander about in the wee small hours of the morning in places unfamiliar to you, and don't try to violently break into any house anywhere, especially in the United States, because it'll likely get you justifiably shot dead.
Image
''The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them.''
—Rush Limbaugh

User avatar
LucidFlight
Posts: 398
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:00 am
About me: I enjoy transcending space-time.
Location: Los Angeles
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by LucidFlight » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:15 am

Devogay wrote:In Britain a lack of navigation or skills isn't rewarded with death.
That would depend on the height of the cliffs, I guess.
Sent from my eyeballs using — that's not how this works; that's not how any of this works.

User avatar
Thumpalumpacus
Posts: 1357
Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:13 pm
About me: Texan by birth, musician by nature, writer by avocation, freethinker by inclination.
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:28 am

I wouldn't carry a gun in Mexico if I were you, Seth. Aside from the fact that that is illegal and carries a long penalty, the cops are as bad as the criminals there. You'll have to bribe your way to a hearing, bribe your way to a moderate sentence, and bribe your guards to bring you your food in their prisons.

And you'll lose your gun, too.
these are things we think we know
these are feelings we might even share
these are thoughts we hide from ourselves
these are secrets we cannot lay bare.

User avatar
Twoflower
Queen of Slugs
Posts: 16611
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:23 pm
About me: Twoflower is the optimistic-but-naive tourist. He often runs into danger, being certain that nothing bad will happen to him since he is not involved. He also believes in the fundamental goodness of human nature and that all problems can be resolved, if all parties show good will and cooperate.
Location: Boston
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Twoflower » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:32 am

I wouldn't go to Mexico.
I'm wild just like a rock, a stone, a tree
And I'm free, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I flow, just like a brook, a stream, the rain
And I fly, just like a bird up in the sky
And I'll surely die, just like a flower plucked
And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

Image

User avatar
egbert
Posts: 781
Joined: Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:46 pm
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by egbert » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:23 am

Gallstones wrote: I have three rifles.
Many of the people I know have many rifles and some handguns.
My rifles never speak to me and try to convince me to take them out and shoot someone.

No wisdom or self awareness needed. Just common sense.
Perhaps Brits lack common sense?
At one time, I had a S&W revolver and several long guns. I'm not a hunter - one experience of seeing a beautiful living animal become an agonized writhing bloodied mess was enough to cure me of the "sport" forever. If I had to kill my own meat, I'd be a vegetarian.
The guns were acquired as interesting collectibles, and, I suppose somewhat of a sense of power and privilege in owning them.
Only the revolver needed to be registered, but then along came long gun control legislation, and, rather than face the expense and hassle, I sold them.
Frankly, it was a relief to be rid of them - just more belongings to store, look after, worry about, and I felt more at ease knowing they weren't there to be used in the heat of the moment. As far as the self defense notion, if intruders burst in, what are the chances I could access a gun in time anyway?
There is that ever so tiny thought that it's dangerous for citizens to be unarmed, because they cannot fight back against an oppressive government. But, in reality, what are the odds of that, at least in N. America, unless you're a Ruby Ridge right wing nut.
It's all fine and dandy to think you're a responsible person, BUT, as this country has seen in far too many cases, a moment of carelessness, a curious child comes across an improperly stored weapon, a domestic dispute, alcohol, mental illness, a long held grievance at work, and, next thing, you have dead children, innocent university students slaughtered, co-workers massacred, families wiped out.
Better to make access to firearms difficult. The one thing that pisses me off is that access to firearms doesn't seem to have gotten any more difficult for the criminal element.
''The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them.''
—Rush Limbaugh

MrJonno
Posts: 3442
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:24 am
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by MrJonno » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:59 am

Never seen a handgun outside a musuem, saw a couple of rifles at a rifle range once but even thats pretty rare for most Brits
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:05 pm

MrJonno wrote:Never seen a handgun outside a musuem, saw a couple of rifles at a rifle range once but even thats pretty rare for most Brits
I think I have one or two around here someplace. :mafia:
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Bella Fortuna
Sister Golden Hair
Posts: 79685
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:45 am
About me: Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Location: Scotlifornia
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Bella Fortuna » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:49 pm

Sent from my Bollocksberry using Crapatalk.
Image
Food, cooking, and disreputable nonsense: http://miscreantsdiner.blogspot.com/

User avatar
Gallstones
Supreme Absolute And Exclusive Ruler Of The World
Posts: 8888
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:56 am
About me: A fleck on a flake on a speck.

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Gallstones » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:47 pm

egbert wrote:
Gallstones wrote: I have three rifles.
Many of the people I know have many rifles and some handguns.
My rifles never speak to me and try to convince me to take them out and shoot someone.

No wisdom or self awareness needed. Just common sense.
Perhaps Brits lack common sense?
At one time, I had a S&W revolver and several long guns. I'm not a hunter - one experience of seeing a beautiful living animal become an agonized writhing bloodied mess was enough to cure me of the "sport" forever.
Agonized, writhing and bloody mess = it was done wrong.
Done correctly they drop, sometimes even in mid chew.

Ever see how dogs bring down their beautiful, living prey. It is quite nasty.
Humans have the means to do a clean, humane dispatch. Incompetent assholes should't be allowed to hunt.
But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010

The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter

User avatar
Gallstones
Supreme Absolute And Exclusive Ruler Of The World
Posts: 8888
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:56 am
About me: A fleck on a flake on a speck.

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Gallstones » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:52 pm

RE the 'mental illness' angle.
I am recurrently suicidally depressed. It never occurs to me during those times to go out and shoot someone. The only person in danger from one of my guns is me, and I haven't used one to do myself in yet. FYI taking away my guns won't prevent my suicide--should I eventually decide to go that route.
But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010

The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter

User avatar
JOZeldenrust
Posts: 557
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:49 am
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by JOZeldenrust » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:56 pm

Aren't people a bit quick to judge this kid? I mean, all the evidence against him seems to be that he has a history of violence, and that he was seen shooting a gun earlier that night. That's not much. Isn't he "innocent until proven guilty"?

MrJonno
Posts: 3442
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:24 am
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by MrJonno » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:13 pm

Gallstones wrote:RE the 'mental illness' angle.
I am recurrently suicidally depressed. It never occurs to me during those times to go out and shoot someone. The only person in danger from one of my guns is me, and I haven't used one to do myself in yet. FYI taking away my guns won't prevent my suicide--should I eventually decide to go that route.
Scary really scary, I suppose you are allowed to drive as well?
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!

User avatar
Gallstones
Supreme Absolute And Exclusive Ruler Of The World
Posts: 8888
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:56 am
About me: A fleck on a flake on a speck.

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Gallstones » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:26 pm

MrJonno wrote:
Gallstones wrote:RE the 'mental illness' angle.
I am recurrently suicidally depressed. It never occurs to me during those times to go out and shoot someone. The only person in danger from one of my guns is me, and I haven't used one to do myself in yet. FYI taking away my guns won't prevent my suicide--should I eventually decide to go that route.
Scary really scary, I suppose you are allowed to drive as well?
What is it you fear?

I drive, I handle other people's money, I wield knives under certain situations, I have drugs in the house.....mine is a cornucopia of things for other people to be afraid of. :ddpan:
But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010

The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter

Seth
GrandMaster Zen Troll
Posts: 22077
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:02 am
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Seth » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:49 pm

Thumpalumpacus wrote:I wouldn't carry a gun in Mexico if I were you, Seth.
That's why I don't go to Mexico.
Aside from the fact that that is illegal and carries a long penalty, the cops are as bad as the criminals there. You'll have to bribe your way to a hearing, bribe your way to a moderate sentence, and bribe your guards to bring you your food in their prisons.

And you'll lose your gun, too.
Indeed. There are Americans in prison in Mexico for merely having a single round of .22 rimfire ammunition stuck under the floor mat of their car that they didn't know about but which the Mexican border authorities found.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S

"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth

© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.

Seth
GrandMaster Zen Troll
Posts: 22077
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:02 am
Contact:

Re: lol @ American law enforcement

Post by Seth » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:01 pm

egbert wrote:
Gallstones wrote: I have three rifles.
Many of the people I know have many rifles and some handguns.
My rifles never speak to me and try to convince me to take them out and shoot someone.

No wisdom or self awareness needed. Just common sense.
Perhaps Brits lack common sense?
At one time, I had a S&W revolver and several long guns. I'm not a hunter - one experience of seeing a beautiful living animal become an agonized writhing bloodied mess was enough to cure me of the "sport" forever. If I had to kill my own meat, I'd be a vegetarian.
Anybody who eats meat should be required to kill and prepare it at least once. Those who don't should be REQUIRED to eat nothing but vegetables. Meat should be reserved for humans, not sheeple.
The guns were acquired as interesting collectibles, and, I suppose somewhat of a sense of power and privilege in owning them.
Only the revolver needed to be registered, but then along came long gun control legislation, and, rather than face the expense and hassle, I sold them.
Frankly, it was a relief to be rid of them - just more belongings to store, look after, worry about, and I felt more at ease knowing they weren't there to be used in the heat of the moment. As far as the self defense notion, if intruders burst in, what are the chances I could access a gun in time anyway?
Zero, in the UK. Approaching 100 percent in my house.
There is that ever so tiny thought that it's dangerous for citizens to be unarmed, because they cannot fight back against an oppressive government. But, in reality, what are the odds of that, at least in N. America, unless you're a Ruby Ridge right wing nut.
The odds are actually quite high, as demonstrated by the existence of despotic tyranny in most places where the citizenry are not armed, and the lack of despotic tyranny in the places where the citizenry are armed, specifically the United States and Switzerland.

The purpose of an armed citizenry is, in part, to discourage tyrants from even attempting despotism, and it works remarkably well when it's allowed to function as the Founders intended. Even our current wannabee tyrant, Barack Obama, is treading very, very carefully when it comes to gun control, because it's the one thing that crossed political parties in the US. Even many run-of-the-mill Democrats and liberals despise gun-banning politicians.
It's all fine and dandy to think you're a responsible person, BUT, as this country has seen in far too many cases, a moment of carelessness, a curious child comes across an improperly stored weapon, a domestic dispute, alcohol, mental illness, a long held grievance at work, and, next thing, you have dead children, innocent university students slaughtered, co-workers massacred, families wiped out.
Actually, the instances of accidental gun deaths are becoming more uncommon every year, thanks to the NRA's efforts. Most gun accidents happen because people are NOT educated in gun safety and marksmanship, particularly children. Yes, there are accidents, rarely, and domestic disputes and other instances of criminal behavior, but balanced against those are the up to two million times per year that firearms are lawfully used to prevent crime and injury by law-abiding citizens.

The unintended, and largely ignored consequences of banning guns is that each of those up to two million people would become a victim of violent crime if guns were banned in order to try (not succeed) in preventing either accidental or intentional gun injuries. That's why concealed carry is becoming MORE widespread in the US rather than LESS widespread. Governments are bowing to the will of the people and their rights, and to their need for self defense, and to the fact that more guns equals less crime, and therefore less injury and death as a whole.

Better to make access to firearms difficult. The one thing that pisses me off is that access to firearms doesn't seem to have gotten any more difficult for the criminal element.
There's a simple reason for that: Criminals don't obey gun control laws, or gun bans, even in the UK or Japan. If they want a gun, they will get one, or the will make one.

Gun control laws only disarm the law-abiding, making them helpless victims of armed criminals, who may be armed with any of a million other types of deadly weapons not including firearms, but which a firearm would be the appropriate and effective defense against.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S

"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth

© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests