Seth wrote:The "white guy in Louisana" didn't shoot the Japanese exchange student merely because the student went to the wrong house by mistake, he shot the student because the drunken, violent Japanese exchange student at the wrong house tried to break into the white guy's house repeatedly, and despite being told many times he would be shot if he didn't desist, and despite being presented with a frightened homeowner visibly armed with a handgun, the drunken, violent Japanese student continued to advance on the homeowner in a manner which reasonably lead the homeowner to believe his life, or his wife's life, was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury, which justified his firing his gun.
Lesson: Don't get drunk and wander about in the wee small hours of the morning in places unfamiliar to you, and don't try to violently break into any house anywhere, especially in the United States, because it'll likely get you justifiably shot dead.
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That would depend on the height of the cliffs, I guess.Devogay wrote:In Britain a lack of navigation or skills isn't rewarded with death.
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I wouldn't carry a gun in Mexico if I were you, Seth. Aside from the fact that that is illegal and carries a long penalty, the cops are as bad as the criminals there. You'll have to bribe your way to a hearing, bribe your way to a moderate sentence, and bribe your guards to bring you your food in their prisons.
And you'll lose your gun, too.
And you'll lose your gun, too.
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I wouldn't go to Mexico.
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At one time, I had a S&W revolver and several long guns. I'm not a hunter - one experience of seeing a beautiful living animal become an agonized writhing bloodied mess was enough to cure me of the "sport" forever. If I had to kill my own meat, I'd be a vegetarian.Gallstones wrote: I have three rifles.
Many of the people I know have many rifles and some handguns.
My rifles never speak to me and try to convince me to take them out and shoot someone.
No wisdom or self awareness needed. Just common sense.
Perhaps Brits lack common sense?
The guns were acquired as interesting collectibles, and, I suppose somewhat of a sense of power and privilege in owning them.
Only the revolver needed to be registered, but then along came long gun control legislation, and, rather than face the expense and hassle, I sold them.
Frankly, it was a relief to be rid of them - just more belongings to store, look after, worry about, and I felt more at ease knowing they weren't there to be used in the heat of the moment. As far as the self defense notion, if intruders burst in, what are the chances I could access a gun in time anyway?
There is that ever so tiny thought that it's dangerous for citizens to be unarmed, because they cannot fight back against an oppressive government. But, in reality, what are the odds of that, at least in N. America, unless you're a Ruby Ridge right wing nut.
It's all fine and dandy to think you're a responsible person, BUT, as this country has seen in far too many cases, a moment of carelessness, a curious child comes across an improperly stored weapon, a domestic dispute, alcohol, mental illness, a long held grievance at work, and, next thing, you have dead children, innocent university students slaughtered, co-workers massacred, families wiped out.
Better to make access to firearms difficult. The one thing that pisses me off is that access to firearms doesn't seem to have gotten any more difficult for the criminal element.
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Never seen a handgun outside a musuem, saw a couple of rifles at a rifle range once but even thats pretty rare for most Brits
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
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I think I have one or two around here someplace.MrJonno wrote:Never seen a handgun outside a musuem, saw a couple of rifles at a rifle range once but even thats pretty rare for most Brits

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Agonized, writhing and bloody mess = it was done wrong.egbert wrote:At one time, I had a S&W revolver and several long guns. I'm not a hunter - one experience of seeing a beautiful living animal become an agonized writhing bloodied mess was enough to cure me of the "sport" forever.Gallstones wrote: I have three rifles.
Many of the people I know have many rifles and some handguns.
My rifles never speak to me and try to convince me to take them out and shoot someone.
No wisdom or self awareness needed. Just common sense.
Perhaps Brits lack common sense?
Done correctly they drop, sometimes even in mid chew.
Ever see how dogs bring down their beautiful, living prey. It is quite nasty.
Humans have the means to do a clean, humane dispatch. Incompetent assholes should't be allowed to hunt.
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RE the 'mental illness' angle.
I am recurrently suicidally depressed. It never occurs to me during those times to go out and shoot someone. The only person in danger from one of my guns is me, and I haven't used one to do myself in yet. FYI taking away my guns won't prevent my suicide--should I eventually decide to go that route.
I am recurrently suicidally depressed. It never occurs to me during those times to go out and shoot someone. The only person in danger from one of my guns is me, and I haven't used one to do myself in yet. FYI taking away my guns won't prevent my suicide--should I eventually decide to go that route.
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Aren't people a bit quick to judge this kid? I mean, all the evidence against him seems to be that he has a history of violence, and that he was seen shooting a gun earlier that night. That's not much. Isn't he "innocent until proven guilty"?
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Scary really scary, I suppose you are allowed to drive as well?Gallstones wrote:RE the 'mental illness' angle.
I am recurrently suicidally depressed. It never occurs to me during those times to go out and shoot someone. The only person in danger from one of my guns is me, and I haven't used one to do myself in yet. FYI taking away my guns won't prevent my suicide--should I eventually decide to go that route.
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What is it you fear?MrJonno wrote:Scary really scary, I suppose you are allowed to drive as well?Gallstones wrote:RE the 'mental illness' angle.
I am recurrently suicidally depressed. It never occurs to me during those times to go out and shoot someone. The only person in danger from one of my guns is me, and I haven't used one to do myself in yet. FYI taking away my guns won't prevent my suicide--should I eventually decide to go that route.
I drive, I handle other people's money, I wield knives under certain situations, I have drugs in the house.....mine is a cornucopia of things for other people to be afraid of.

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That's why I don't go to Mexico.Thumpalumpacus wrote:I wouldn't carry a gun in Mexico if I were you, Seth.
Indeed. There are Americans in prison in Mexico for merely having a single round of .22 rimfire ammunition stuck under the floor mat of their car that they didn't know about but which the Mexican border authorities found.Aside from the fact that that is illegal and carries a long penalty, the cops are as bad as the criminals there. You'll have to bribe your way to a hearing, bribe your way to a moderate sentence, and bribe your guards to bring you your food in their prisons.
And you'll lose your gun, too.
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Anybody who eats meat should be required to kill and prepare it at least once. Those who don't should be REQUIRED to eat nothing but vegetables. Meat should be reserved for humans, not sheeple.egbert wrote:At one time, I had a S&W revolver and several long guns. I'm not a hunter - one experience of seeing a beautiful living animal become an agonized writhing bloodied mess was enough to cure me of the "sport" forever. If I had to kill my own meat, I'd be a vegetarian.Gallstones wrote: I have three rifles.
Many of the people I know have many rifles and some handguns.
My rifles never speak to me and try to convince me to take them out and shoot someone.
No wisdom or self awareness needed. Just common sense.
Perhaps Brits lack common sense?
Zero, in the UK. Approaching 100 percent in my house.The guns were acquired as interesting collectibles, and, I suppose somewhat of a sense of power and privilege in owning them.
Only the revolver needed to be registered, but then along came long gun control legislation, and, rather than face the expense and hassle, I sold them.
Frankly, it was a relief to be rid of them - just more belongings to store, look after, worry about, and I felt more at ease knowing they weren't there to be used in the heat of the moment. As far as the self defense notion, if intruders burst in, what are the chances I could access a gun in time anyway?
The odds are actually quite high, as demonstrated by the existence of despotic tyranny in most places where the citizenry are not armed, and the lack of despotic tyranny in the places where the citizenry are armed, specifically the United States and Switzerland.There is that ever so tiny thought that it's dangerous for citizens to be unarmed, because they cannot fight back against an oppressive government. But, in reality, what are the odds of that, at least in N. America, unless you're a Ruby Ridge right wing nut.
The purpose of an armed citizenry is, in part, to discourage tyrants from even attempting despotism, and it works remarkably well when it's allowed to function as the Founders intended. Even our current wannabee tyrant, Barack Obama, is treading very, very carefully when it comes to gun control, because it's the one thing that crossed political parties in the US. Even many run-of-the-mill Democrats and liberals despise gun-banning politicians.
Actually, the instances of accidental gun deaths are becoming more uncommon every year, thanks to the NRA's efforts. Most gun accidents happen because people are NOT educated in gun safety and marksmanship, particularly children. Yes, there are accidents, rarely, and domestic disputes and other instances of criminal behavior, but balanced against those are the up to two million times per year that firearms are lawfully used to prevent crime and injury by law-abiding citizens.It's all fine and dandy to think you're a responsible person, BUT, as this country has seen in far too many cases, a moment of carelessness, a curious child comes across an improperly stored weapon, a domestic dispute, alcohol, mental illness, a long held grievance at work, and, next thing, you have dead children, innocent university students slaughtered, co-workers massacred, families wiped out.
The unintended, and largely ignored consequences of banning guns is that each of those up to two million people would become a victim of violent crime if guns were banned in order to try (not succeed) in preventing either accidental or intentional gun injuries. That's why concealed carry is becoming MORE widespread in the US rather than LESS widespread. Governments are bowing to the will of the people and their rights, and to their need for self defense, and to the fact that more guns equals less crime, and therefore less injury and death as a whole.
There's a simple reason for that: Criminals don't obey gun control laws, or gun bans, even in the UK or Japan. If they want a gun, they will get one, or the will make one.Better to make access to firearms difficult. The one thing that pisses me off is that access to firearms doesn't seem to have gotten any more difficult for the criminal element.
Gun control laws only disarm the law-abiding, making them helpless victims of armed criminals, who may be armed with any of a million other types of deadly weapons not including firearms, but which a firearm would be the appropriate and effective defense against.
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