Disaster capitalism

[Wumbologist]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

[sandinista]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

yah, so why did you move to the glorious Utopian freedom land?

[Seth]

I don't even know who alinsky is

You're a piss-poor Marxist then. I'm not a Marxist and *I* know who Saul Alinsky is.

sounds like another case of american imperialism, assuming everyone from all over the world automatically knows everything american

You live in Detroit, so you have no excuse other than willful ignorance.

[Seth]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

And why don't you move to Venezuela, or China, or any other Marxist shit hole on earth and get the fuck out of the United States, since you like Marxism so much? Because you're a hypocrite, perhaps? Because you talk the talk (poorly and ignorantly) but can't walk the walk? You bemoan capitalism and laud Marxism, and yet you're not willing to sacrifice your comfort and pleasure, much less your economic position to forward the Marxist ideology. Like I said, Che would put a bullet in your head for that counterrevolutionary treason.

Did you lie on your application for permanent residency by denying affiliation with organizations advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? You can be deported for that, and probably should be.

Or are you just an illegal alien who overstayed her visitor's visa?

Inquiring minds want to know....

[.Morticia.]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

I was head hunted while living in Europe and thought it would be interesting to meet americans , and not as a tourist or colleague.

[.Morticia.]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

And why don't you move to Venezuela, or China, or any other Marxist shit hole on earth and get the fuck out of the United States, since you like Marxism so much? Because you're a hypocrite, perhaps? Because you talk the talk (poorly and ignorantly) but can't walk the walk? You bemoan capitalism and laud Marxism, and yet you're not willing to sacrifice your comfort and pleasure, much less your economic position to forward the Marxist ideology. Like I said, Che would put a bullet in your head for that counterrevolutionary treason.

Did you lie on your application for permanent residency by denying affiliation with organizations advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? You can be deported for that, and probably should be. < -------------------- excuse me!, are you accusing me of perjuring myself on federal papers, that's a felony. Further, no one I know advocates any such thing. NO ONE.

Or are you just an illegal alien who overstayed her visitor's visa? <------------------ how fucking dare you imply I am a criminal. How fucking dare you. Inquiring minds want to know....

You've gone too far.

[Seth]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

And why don't you move to Venezuela, or China, or any other Marxist shit hole on earth and get the fuck out of the United States, since you like Marxism so much? Because you're a hypocrite, perhaps? Because you talk the talk (poorly and ignorantly) but can't walk the walk? You bemoan capitalism and laud Marxism, and yet you're not willing to sacrifice your comfort and pleasure, much less your economic position to forward the Marxist ideology. Like I said, Che would put a bullet in your head for that counterrevolutionary treason.

Did you lie on your application for permanent residency by denying affiliation with organizations advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? You can be deported for that, and probably should be.

< -------------------- excuse me!, are you accusing me of perjuring myself on federal papers, that's a felony. Further, no one I know advocates any such thing. NO ONE.

Liar. All Marxists necessarily and automatically advocate violent revolutionary overthrow of capitalist countries. It's an inherent and inseparable part of Marxism. Go read the Communist Manifesto for fuck's sake!

Damned right it's a felony to lie on an immigration application. But it's not a crime, or even libelous to ask a question about the immigration status of a resident alien. You're a fucking GUEST in my country, and you'd better remember that at all times, because you can be uninvited much more quickly than you were invited.

You admit to being a "card-carrying Marxist" and are evidently proud of it. You're a resident alien, and therefore had to make certain representations on your visa application and during interviews with government officials in order to be granted resident alien status...which is subject to review and revocation at any time.

Marxism is an inherently revolutionary ideology that advocates the violent overthrow of capitalist governments which necessarily includes the United States. That's a disqualifying factor for admission to the United States as a resident alien. Don't blame me if you don't understand your own fucking ideology.

Sec. 212. [8 U.S.C. 1182] (3) Security and related grounds.-
(A) In general.-Any alien who a consular officer or the Attorney General knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, seeks to enter the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in-
(iii) any activity a purpose of which is the opposition to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United States by force, violence, or other unlawful means, is inadmissible.

I asked a perfectly reasonable question as to whether you lied, or whether you revealed to the official investigating your application for permanent resident status that you are a "card carrying Marxist." I stated that if you did not, you can be deported for failing to disclose your adherence to an inherently seditious ideology. This is a legal fact. I didn't accuse you of anything, I asked a question, which you're evading. So, I ask you again, did you admit to your interviewer that you are a "card-carrying Marxist" or not?

I did state that you should get the fuck out of the United States, and I mean it. We have too many Marxists here already, we don't need any new ones sneaking in here under false pretenses. That's my opinion, not an accusation. By the way, does your employer know you're a "card-carrying Marxist?" Do you think he would be interested in knowing this fact? Are you an ethical person? If so, you should have no hesitation in admitting both to your employer and to ICE that you are a "card-carrying Marxist" and letting the green-card chips fall where they may.

Or are you just an illegal alien who overstayed her visitor's visa?

<------------------ how fucking dare you imply I am a criminal. How fucking dare you.

How fucking dare I? How fucking dare you? I asked a perfectly legitimate question about your immigration status. We've got lots of illegal aliens here, including Marxists, Communists and Islamic terrorists. I'm naturally skeptical of a "card-carrying Marxist" who claims to have legal residency, because last I heard, that was a disqualifying factor for resident alien status. Thus, it's a rational inference to assume that a "card-carrying Marxist" would have to be here illegally EVEN IF that "card-carrying Marxist" had a green card.

You've gone too far.

Go complain to Marx about it, he's your hero, not mine. Your high dudgeon doesn't answer the questions I asked. Marxists are not welcome here in the United States, for very good and valid reasons. We have to put up with the home-grown variety, but we sure as fuck aren't obligated to grant them resident alien status just because they want to come here and leech off our wealth-generating capacity.

I see only two reasons for card-carrying Marxists to come to the United States: First, to engage in seditious and treasonous activities aimed at advancing the violent overthrow of the government of the United States in accordance with the writings of Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto, in which case such persons should and can be arrested and jailed for perjury on their application and then deported after they've served about 25 years in the federal pen; or, they aren't really Marxists at all, they are just delusional wanna-bes who are counterrevolutionaries to Marxism and are therefore duplicitous, hypocritical traitors to their own ideology who come to the United States under false pretenses in order to enjoy the benefits of capitalism and American freedom while spewing revolutionary Marxists platitudes and propaganda out their asses in faux outrage at the injustice of capitalism while luxuriating in the very "economic inequality and exploitation" and the freedoms they so despise. If that ain't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

Even the ability to announce proudly to the world on the Internet that one is a "card-carrying Marxist" is a liberty that Americans, true American patriots, have fought and died to achieve and protect, and it's nauseating that card-carrying Marxists are permitted to abuse that liberty to spread their poisonous and treasonous propaganda. We put up with it only because we are principled people who accept the bad with the good and allow such sedition to take place as proof of our dedication to freedom of speech.

But we patriotic Americans have a right to free speech too, and one iteration of that is the right to excoriate, ridicule, insult and annoy card-carrying Marxists who have the unmitigated gall to come to this country under false pretenses in order to enjoy its freedoms and benefits while simultaneously disparaging the very system that they came here to take advantage of.

You don't like it, tough titty, because THAT'S freedom of speech too.

Now answer the fucking question: Did you disclose to ICE that you are a "card-carrying Marxist" during the application process, or did you lie by omission?

[JOZeldenrust]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

And why don't you move to Venezuela, or China, or any other Marxist shit hole on earth and get the fuck out of the United States, since you like Marxism so much? Because you're a hypocrite, perhaps? Because you talk the talk (poorly and ignorantly) but can't walk the walk? You bemoan capitalism and laud Marxism, and yet you're not willing to sacrifice your comfort and pleasure, much less your economic position to forward the Marxist ideology. Like I said, Che would put a bullet in your head for that counterrevolutionary treason.

Did you lie on your application for permanent residency by denying affiliation with organizations advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? You can be deported for that, and probably should be. < -------------------- excuse me!, are you accusing me of perjuring myself on federal papers, that's a felony. Further, no one I know advocates any such thing. NO ONE.

Or are you just an illegal alien who overstayed her visitor's visa? <------------------ how fucking dare you imply I am a criminal. How fucking dare you. Inquiring minds want to know....

You've gone too far.

That might indeed be libelous. You'd better be ready to back those claims up, Seth.

[sandinista]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

And why don't you move to Venezuela, or China, or any other Marxist shit hole on earth and get the fuck out of the United States, since you like Marxism so much? Because you're a hypocrite, perhaps? Because you talk the talk (poorly and ignorantly) but can't walk the walk? You bemoan capitalism and laud Marxism, and yet you're not willing to sacrifice your comfort and pleasure, much less your economic position to forward the Marxist ideology. Like I said, Che would put a bullet in your head for that counterrevolutionary treason.

Did you lie on your application for permanent residency by denying affiliation with organizations advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? You can be deported for that, and probably should be. < -------------------- excuse me!, are you accusing me of perjuring myself on federal papers, that's a felony. Further, no one I know advocates any such thing. NO ONE.

Or are you just an illegal alien who overstayed her visitor's visa? <------------------ how fucking dare you imply I am a criminal. How fucking dare you. Inquiring minds want to know....

You've gone too far.

That might indeed be libelous. You'd better be ready to back those claims up, Seth.

Thats a pretty funny rant, bonkers, glad I'm on the other side of that madness.

[.Morticia.]

I'm australian,

I live in detroit and nyc

have lived other places too

So what caused you to move from glorious Australia to The United States of Evil Capitalists?

And why don't you move to Venezuela, or China, or any other Marxist shit hole on earth and get the fuck out of the United States, since you like Marxism so much? Because you're a hypocrite, perhaps? Because you talk the talk (poorly and ignorantly) but can't walk the walk? You bemoan capitalism and laud Marxism, and yet you're not willing to sacrifice your comfort and pleasure, much less your economic position to forward the Marxist ideology. Like I said, Che would put a bullet in your head for that counterrevolutionary treason.

Did you lie on your application for permanent residency by denying affiliation with organizations advocating the violent overthrow of the government of the United States? You can be deported for that, and probably should be.

< -------------------- excuse me!, are you accusing me of perjuring myself on federal papers, that's a felony. Further, no one I know advocates any such thing. NO ONE.

Liar. All Marxists necessarily and automatically advocate violent revolutionary overthrow of capitalist countries. It's an inherent and inseparable part of Marxism. Go read the Communist Manifesto for fuck's sake!

Damned right it's a felony to lie on an immigration application. But it's not a crime, or even libelous to ask a question about the immigration status of a resident alien. You're a fucking GUEST in my country, and you'd better remember that at all times, because you can be uninvited much more quickly than you were invited.

You admit to being a "card-carrying Marxist" and are evidently proud of it. You're a resident alien, and therefore had to make certain representations on your visa application and during interviews with government officials in order to be granted resident alien status...which is subject to review and revocation at any time.

Marxism is an inherently revolutionary ideology that advocates the violent overthrow of capitalist governments which necessarily includes the United States. That's a disqualifying factor for admission to the United States as a resident alien. Don't blame me if you don't understand your own fucking ideology.

Sec. 212. [8 U.S.C. 1182] (3) Security and related grounds.-
(A) In general.-Any alien who a consular officer or the Attorney General knows, or has reasonable ground to believe, seeks to enter the United States to engage solely, principally, or incidentally in-
(iii) any activity a purpose of which is the opposition to, or the control or overthrow of, the Government of the United States by force, violence, or other unlawful means, is inadmissible.

I asked a perfectly reasonable question as to whether you lied, or whether you revealed to the official investigating your application for permanent resident status that you are a "card carrying Marxist." I stated that if you did not, you can be deported for failing to disclose your adherence to an inherently seditious ideology. This is a legal fact. I didn't accuse you of anything, I asked a question, which you're evading. So, I ask you again, did you admit to your interviewer that you are a "card-carrying Marxist" or not?

I did state that you should get the fuck out of the United States, and I mean it. We have too many Marxists here already, we don't need any new ones sneaking in here under false pretenses. That's my opinion, not an accusation. By the way, does your employer know you're a "card-carrying Marxist?" Do you think he would be interested in knowing this fact? Are you an ethical person? If so, you should have no hesitation in admitting both to your employer and to ICE that you are a "card-carrying Marxist" and letting the green-card chips fall where they may.

Or are you just an illegal alien who overstayed her visitor's visa?

<------------------ how fucking dare you imply I am a criminal. How fucking dare you.

How fucking dare I? How fucking dare you? I asked a perfectly legitimate question about your immigration status. We've got lots of illegal aliens here, including Marxists, Communists and Islamic terrorists. I'm naturally skeptical of a "card-carrying Marxist" who claims to have legal residency, because last I heard, that was a disqualifying factor for resident alien status. Thus, it's a rational inference to assume that a "card-carrying Marxist" would have to be here illegally EVEN IF that "card-carrying Marxist" had a green card.

You've gone too far.

Go complain to Marx about it, he's your hero, not mine. Your high dudgeon doesn't answer the questions I asked. Marxists are not welcome here in the United States, for very good and valid reasons. We have to put up with the home-grown variety, but we sure as fuck aren't obligated to grant them resident alien status just because they want to come here and leech off our wealth-generating capacity.

I see only two reasons for card-carrying Marxists to come to the United States: First, to engage in seditious and treasonous activities aimed at advancing the violent overthrow of the government of the United States in accordance with the writings of Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto, in which case such persons should and can be arrested and jailed for perjury on their application and then deported after they've served about 25 years in the federal pen; or, they aren't really Marxists at all, they are just delusional wanna-bes who are counterrevolutionaries to Marxism and are therefore duplicitous, hypocritical traitors to their own ideology who come to the United States under false pretenses in order to enjoy the benefits of capitalism and American freedom while spewing revolutionary Marxists platitudes and propaganda out their asses in faux outrage at the injustice of capitalism while luxuriating in the very "economic inequality and exploitation" and the freedoms they so despise. If that ain't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

Even the ability to announce proudly to the world on the Internet that one is a "card-carrying Marxist" is a liberty that Americans, true American patriots, have fought and died to achieve and protect, and it's nauseating that card-carrying Marxists are permitted to abuse that liberty to spread their poisonous and treasonous propaganda. We put up with it only because we are principled people who accept the bad with the good and allow such sedition to take place as proof of our dedication to freedom of speech.

But we patriotic Americans have a right to free speech too, and one iteration of that is the right to excoriate, ridicule, insult and annoy card-carrying Marxists who have the unmitigated gall to come to this country under false pretenses in order to enjoy its freedoms and benefits while simultaneously disparaging the very system that they came here to take advantage of.

You don't like it, tough titty, because THAT'S freedom of speech too.

Now answer the fucking question: Did you disclose to ICE that you are a "card-carrying Marxist" during the application process, or did you lie by omission?

my belief is my business

there is freedom of belief in this country

you implied I was a perjurer and a felon and seditious, I take that seriously.

what I do or believe is none of your business

fuck you

[Wumbologist]

I was head hunted while living in Europe and thought it would be interesting to meet americans , and not as a tourist or colleague.

Head hunted... so, you moved here for capitalistic purposes?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ulyanov, Dzugashvili and Brohnstein, all failed capitalists.

[.Morticia.]

I was head hunted while living in Europe and thought it would be interesting to meet americans , and not as a tourist or colleague.

Head hunted... so, you moved here for capitalistic purposes?

i took a big loss in pay and conditions and moving is expensive

moved to meet american people

i love them , i really do

they have so many endearing qualities

[Wumbologist]

i took a big loss in pay and conditions and moving is expensive

Well no wonder you don't like capitalism, sounds like you're not too good at it!

moved to meet american people

i love them , i really do

they have so many endearing qualities

Well, you're not gonna take the capitalist out of Americans any time soon, so you might as well figure out the path to the best of both worlds. Same question I asked Seth: What do you think of the concept of voluntary micro-socialism (co-ops and the like) existing within a capitalist state?

[Warren Dew]

bunch of fucking parasites.

So it would be better for Buffett to keep his capital out of Japan, thus making it more difficult and time consuming for them to recover from their disaster? That doesn't seem very nice.

Seems to me this is a good example of how the free market gets the capital to where it's most needed.