Weird, dumbass and hypocritical political statements...

[RuleBritannia]

Man this thread cracks me up.

You got the right wingers with their "peaceful" protesters holding up stupid signs with laugh out fucking loud bad spelling and grammer about made up "marxist" bullshit and general whack-job conspiracies.

Then you got the left wingers with their "violent" protesters holding up their stupid signs about killing George Bush without a trial and general wasting of tax payers money by being twats so extra police have to be called.

But I think the most part of this thread is that some people hate those on the other side of the political spectrum so much that they would actually defend the actions of those on their "side", instead of just calling them all arseholes and idiots.

Politically I'm centrist, but I hate the right far more than the left. I live in the Western World, the left are University students who eventually grow up and out of mindless monologuing about the evils of the rise of Imperialistic America. The Right Wingers are just as blind, but the difference is they usually don't grow up.

I'm most definetly left wing and I almost never agree with someone on the right, but twats are twats, I don't care if we agree on economic policy, if you go around acting like a twat, I'll tell you.

[Coito ergo sum]

But the fact that on average, the intellectual upper strata of society votes Democrat means nothing, does it?

I'd be happy to discuss the evidence on which you rely. Care to start another thread?

I'm done with rationalia for the day - gotta roll. I'll check for your discussion thread on this issue most likely tomorrow.

[Ian]

Many people here arguing from the left simply state that the right is ignorant or has a false understanding of the "facts" of history, etc., and that the right has base motives - in other words, they won't credit a right-leaning opinion with being based in reason or out of a beneficent motive.

I would never argue that. A few of my best friends are conservatives, and I respect their opinions.

Right-wing motivations can be as complex as those on the left. I would, however, argue that a very large percentage of conservatives today are much more ignorant than they ought to be. The old "wealthy, white, upper-middle class" stereotype of Republicans is a cliche. Tea partiers are the new sub-middle class pitchfork people that flocked to Pat Buchanan in the 90s. They're also overwhelmingly rural (read: less sophisticated, less educated). Anybody who paid attention in high school economics class ought to know that Obama is not a socialist. But how many call him that anyway? When Democrats talk about the GOP going "off the rails" lately, they're just doing trend analysis. The rhetoric from the mainstream party is much harsher, much more right-wing than it used to be.

I don't think the same can be applied to the left. It's not a mirror image. Obama would've had a much greater victory on health care if he passed a bipartisan bill, one that included GOP compromises right up to the signing. But Boehner and McConnell knew that, and decided to go for a stonewalling (i.e. "No!") strategy and hope that the Dems failed. But they were invited. Obama's been talking about "post-partisanship" since long before his election, but it wasn't him who decided to exclude the GOP on this matter. The GOP leadership did that. They're acting like an opposition party rather than a minority party, and you think Democrats are hypocritical for calling them partisan?

[Coito ergo sum]

C.E.S., you think the "Peace Movement" was violent? Or are you just making this up as you go along?

He's 20. How well do you think he really understands the world around him?

We need more graphic novels on historical matters.

LOL - Gibbs agrees with you!


“So this is how Liberty dies. With thunderous applause.”
-Padme Amidala

[Ian]

C.E.S., you think the "Peace Movement" was violent? Or are you just making this up as you go along?

He's 20. How well do you think he really understands the world around him?

We need more graphic novels on historical matters.

LOL - Gibbs agrees with you!


“So this is how Liberty dies. With thunderous applause.”
-Padme Amidala

What the shite?

I think it's safe to assume that either 1) he doesn't read that during working hours, or 2) it's for a kid. On the other hand, a senior Obama administration staffer being outed as a Star Wars fan raises his stock a few more points in my book.

[MissingNo.]

Obama is a known Trekkie so I would imagine there may be some tension between these two.

[owtth]

C.E.S., you think the "Peace Movement" was violent? Or are you just making this up as you go along?

He's 20. How well do you think he really understands the world around him?

We need more graphic novels on historical matters.

LOL - Gibbs agrees with you!


“So this is how Liberty dies. With thunderous applause.”
-Padme Amidala

What the shite?

I think it's safe to assume that either 1) he doesn't read that during working hours, or 2) it's for a kid. On the other hand, a senior Obama administration staffer being outed as a Star Wars fan raises his stock a few more points in my book.

Looking closely that appears to be a pop-up book

[Coito ergo sum]

And, left wingers are far more prone to use violence over the last 50 years than right leaning folks.

Unmitigated bullshit.

Left wing black blocs at it again....

Black-clad demonstrators broke off from a crowd of peaceful demonstrators protesting a global economic summit in Toronto, torching police cruisers and smashing windows with baseball bats and hammers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100626/ap_ ... t_protests

[AnInconvenientScotsman]

Why a debate over the credibility of any of these people? They don't deserve the time of day...

[Coito ergo sum]

Why a debate over the credibility of any of these people? They don't deserve the time of day...

It's not a debate about their credibility.

[redunderthebed]

The last picture is a peaceful demonstration.

There are a small minority of morons that are violent amongst the left (usually trots and anarchists) but to say the left hell even the far-left are more prone to violence is a load of horseshit.

The fact you actually posted a picture of a peaceful protest and no real pics of violence proves my point.

[colubridae]

The last picture is a peaceful demonstration.

There are a small minority of morons that are violent amongst the left (usually trots and anarchists) but to say the left hell even the far-left are more prone to violence is a load of horseshit.

The fact you actually posted a picture of a peaceful protest and no real pics of violence proves my point.

errr... he was using it to point up the difference, and to give a balanced POV. All you have done is 'misunderstand' the series of pictures.

That's the differnce; he is being balanced and objective. You aren't.

[Coito ergo sum]

The last picture is a peaceful demonstration.

There are a small minority of morons that are violent amongst the left (usually trots and anarchists) but to say the left hell even the far-left are more prone to violence is a load of horseshit.

The fact you actually posted a picture of a peaceful protest and no real pics of violence proves my point.

No real pics of violence? Burning police cars?

More than 900 people had been arrested by the summit's end, the largest mass arrests Canada has ever seen.

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/798366

Some CBS video - http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6623546n

It's not a load of horseshit. It's common. Every single G-20 conference is beset by riots, violence and property destruction. It's not "rare."

Contrast that with the peaceful demonstrations last year by the tea party idiots. I agree they are idiots, but the one thing they were not is violent. Yet, they were portrayed in the major media as being violent, advocating violence, and liberals were claiming that it was "only a matter of time before something happens" (epitomized by the "Geico" spokesman who was caught prank calling the tea partiers and asking them what they would do when one of them hurts someone). Juxtapose that against the Blac Block socialists and union thugs that show up at every G-20 meeting - anyone can google "Seattle riots" and see the same thing that just happened in Toronto. The same shit has happened in Mexico, S.Korea and Europe too.

[Coito ergo sum]

And, don't forget Greece!

Clashes at Athens protest against pension reform
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Jun 29, 7:26 AM (ET)

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - Dozens of masked youths are clashing with police at a union protest in Athens during a general strike against the cash-strapped government's planned pension and labor reforms.

[Ian]

One minor point that I think bears mentioning: incidents of property destruction and violence, while both crimes, are not the same thing. Has anybody been killed or deliberately hurt by any of the protesters up at the G-20 summit?