Ban Ronald McDonald?

[maiforpeace]

And those greedy fuckers care only about profits too just like every other damn capitalist.

Indeed. They are doing this out of the pure goodness of their hearts.

[sandinista]

And those greedy fuckers care only about profits too just like every other damn capitalist.

Indeed. They are doing this out of the pure goodness of their hearts.

I was going to comment on that post but almost thought it was, in some sense sarcastic. No one actually believes that because a multi national "gives" to charity that, for some reason excuses any and all other nasty behavior. Besides being marketing methods (mainly), ronald mcshit house is a PR action. I suppose if a, say, white pride group with cash, gave a portion to school funding or daycare, that would excuse the organization of any "bad" behavior? No. Same with Mcshit.

[Gallstones]

What difference does it make? They ARE doing something. Would you rather that they stop so they can be purely greedy and nasty? Perhaps send a post card to every family that has benefited from Ronald McDonald Charities to make sure that they know the charity they received is "tainted" by capitalism.

Is there an organization that is free of bad behavior, can't be criticized, needs no improvement?

McDonald's is a business who provides a product that is obviously desired. And they have made changes in their menu for children and adults. If the parents don't choose to avail themselves of the apple slices or the salads is it McDonald's that is to blame? And why must there be blame placed anyway? Doesn't placing blame only give avenue for the blamers to feel all righteous in their sanctimony?

[sandinista]

What difference does it make? They ARE doing something. Would you rather that they stop so they can be purely greedy and nasty? Perhaps send a post card to every family that has benefited from Ronald McDonald Charities to make sure that they know the charity they received is "tainted" by capitalism.

Is there an organization that is free of bad behavior, can't be criticized, needs no improvement?

McDonald's is a business who provides a product that is obviously desired. And they have made changes in their menu for children and adults. If the parents don't choose to avail themselves of the apple slices or the salads is it McDonald's that is to blame? And why must there be blame placed anyway? Doesn't placing blame only give avenue for the blamers to feel all righteous in their sanctimony?

Yah they ARE starting "charities" in their name as a public relations scheme and advertising campaign. Big deal, fuck em. Is there an orginization that is free of "bad behavior"...maybe maybe not, but that doesn't mean ALL organizations have the same levels of bad behavior. Hamas does a lot of charity work too, so what?

[maiforpeace]

Yah they ARE starting "charities" in their name as a public relations scheme and advertising campaign. Big deal, fuck em. Is there an orginization that is free of "bad behavior"...maybe maybe not, but that doesn't mean ALL organizations have the same levels of bad behavior. Hamas does a lot of charity work too, so what?

This non-profit organization I am a board member of has all kinds of sponsors. When I joined the board I was taken aback to discover a couple of pretty sketchy sponsors, like Jeppeson Data Plan. It's an ethical quandry...do we accept badly needed money from such businesses? So one of my first proposals was a very thorough vetting process for how to accept new sponsors. I was delighted it was passed, and we jettisoned Jeppeson.

[sandinista]

Yah they ARE starting "charities" in their name as a public relations scheme and advertising campaign. Big deal, fuck em. Is there an orginization that is free of "bad behavior"...maybe maybe not, but that doesn't mean ALL organizations have the same levels of bad behavior. Hamas does a lot of charity work too, so what?

This non-profit organization I am a board member of has all kinds of sponsors. When I joined the board I was taken aback to discover a couple of pretty sketchy sponsors, like Jeppeson Data Plan. It's an ethical quandry...do we accept badly needed money from such businesses? So one of my first proposals was a very thorough vetting process for how to accept new sponsors. I was delighted it was passed, and we jettisoned Jeppeson.

Excellent. Ethics and morals should trump cash whenever possible. It's funny though, someone on another thread is all of a sudden defending mcshit for its "charity" work, like they are some great community citizen or something. I hope these people step up to defend the catholic church, evangelicals and muslim organizations all over the planet who do charity work. If it (charity) in some way lets mcshit off the hook, I guess it lets religion off the hook as well.

[Svartalf]

If they did, America and Europe would still have millionss of jobs that got outsourced to Asia.

Plus, virtue does not feed a man, or pay for his private jet.

[maiforpeace]

Ronald McDonald house is a tour de force in marketing, that many other corporations later imitated, and for this I give McDonalds huge credit. Why donate to other non-profits as a mere sponsor, when you can wrap it all up in one clean big burrito? (or McWrap )

[sandinista]

Ronald McDonald house is a tour de force in marketing, that many other corporations later imitated, and for this I give McDonalds huge credit. Why donate to other non-profits as a mere sponsor, when you can wrap it all up in one clean big burrito? (or McWrap )

Don't give any credit to that shit hole, churches and religious institutions have been doing this for far longer.

[maiforpeace]

Ronald McDonald house is a tour de force in marketing, that many other corporations later imitated, and for this I give McDonalds huge credit. Why donate to other non-profits as a mere sponsor, when you can wrap it all up in one clean big burrito? (or McWrap )

Don't give any credit to that shit hole, churches and religious institutions have been doing this for far longer.

[Coito ergo sum]

And those greedy fuckers care only about profits too just like every other damn capitalist.

Indeed. They are doing this out of the pure goodness of their hearts.

I think her point was that they're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They are selling food, many different kinds, including Caesar's salads (and I see they are offering oatmeal with fruit now for breakfast), for a profit - like every other company.

I mean - there's nothing wrong with that. I have a good friend who opened up a restaurant. It's a huge risk - tremendous risk. The cost is very high, and many restaurant entrepreneurs risk it all to pursue their dream of having such a place. If they couldn't make a profit (also known as "getting paid for doing work and taking risks") then why would they do it? Aren't there many other fulfilling alternatives that would allow people to express the goodness of their hearts that don't entail risking one's entire livelihood in order to pursue an endeavor?

Usually, there is a combination of "goodness of heart" and "profit" motive anyway. Like, take Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, for example. They took a tremendous risk, went out on a financial limb, and worked 18 hour days for many years to make their ice cream store and later ice cream marketing company a success. They also market a product that contributes to obesity (ice cream is high in calories, usually high in fat, and high in sugar - one little Ben & Jerry's pint has 1/2 a day's calories). Yet, their motive was produce a high quality, tasty product that people liked to eat, and make money in the process. McDonald's founder was no different. Both succeeded.

[sandinista]

And those greedy fuckers care only about profits too just like every other damn capitalist.

Indeed. They are doing this out of the pure goodness of their hearts.

I think her point was that they're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They are selling food, many different kinds, including Caesar's salads (and I see they are offering oatmeal with fruit now for breakfast), for a profit - like every other company.

I mean - there's nothing wrong with that. I have a good friend who opened up a restaurant. It's a huge risk - tremendous risk. The cost is very high, and many restaurant entrepreneurs risk it all to pursue their dream of having such a place. If they couldn't make a profit (also known as "getting paid for doing work and taking risks") then why would they do it? Aren't there many other fulfilling alternatives that would allow people to express the goodness of their hearts that don't entail risking one's entire livelihood in order to pursue an endeavor?

Usually, there is a combination of "goodness of heart" and "profit" motive anyway. Like, take Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, for example. They took a tremendous risk, went out on a financial limb, and worked 18 hour days for many years to make their ice cream store and later ice cream marketing company a success. They also market a product that contributes to obesity (ice cream is high in calories, usually high in fat, and high in sugar - one little Ben & Jerry's pint has 1/2 a day's calories). Yet, their motive was produce a high quality, tasty product that people liked to eat, and make money in the process. McDonald's founder was no different. Both succeeded.

you're on a break from your mcshit shift aren't you? Or do they give you breaks? hahaha, they don't sell food they sell garbage. Nothing wrong at all with cruelty to animals on a mass scale, promoting garbage to children, exploiting workers (low wages/anti union) and destruction of the environment, nothing wrong at all. As long as fat asses can keep stuffing their faces with diarrhea.

[Coito ergo sum]

What difference does it make? They ARE doing something. Would you rather that they stop so they can be purely greedy and nasty? Perhaps send a post card to every family that has benefited from Ronald McDonald Charities to make sure that they know the charity they received is "tainted" by capitalism.

Is there an organization that is free of bad behavior, can't be criticized, needs no improvement?

McDonald's is a business who provides a product that is obviously desired. And they have made changes in their menu for children and adults. If the parents don't choose to avail themselves of the apple slices or the salads is it McDonald's that is to blame? And why must there be blame placed anyway? Doesn't placing blame only give avenue for the blamers to feel all righteous in their sanctimony?

I would add that striving for profit is not necessarily either nasty or greedy. There is nothing wrong with wanting to make money while operating a lawful business and selling a product people want to buy.

If a person opened a marijuana store and head shop, they would generally do that to make money. And, marijuana isn't good for a person's lungs either. If someone opened a health food store, they generally are doing so to make money and not for charity.

McDonalds serves coffee, which is not good for a person, and cokes and other soft drinks. People can also get them at every store and at every other restaurant. Must McDonalds only sell products that are "good for us?" Why? Sometimes I want a nice burger and a coke - none of which is good for me - I don't give a shit what the motivation of the purveyor of the product is. They deserve to make money if they are building or renovating a facility, ordering the meat and vegetables and the beverages, cooking them, and serving them to me. That costs money and entails risk. Why shouldn't they receive a return on their investment?

[Coito ergo sum]

And those greedy fuckers care only about profits too just like every other damn capitalist.

Indeed. They are doing this out of the pure goodness of their hearts.

I think her point was that they're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They are selling food, many different kinds, including Caesar's salads (and I see they are offering oatmeal with fruit now for breakfast), for a profit - like every other company.

I mean - there's nothing wrong with that. I have a good friend who opened up a restaurant. It's a huge risk - tremendous risk. The cost is very high, and many restaurant entrepreneurs risk it all to pursue their dream of having such a place. If they couldn't make a profit (also known as "getting paid for doing work and taking risks") then why would they do it? Aren't there many other fulfilling alternatives that would allow people to express the goodness of their hearts that don't entail risking one's entire livelihood in order to pursue an endeavor?

Usually, there is a combination of "goodness of heart" and "profit" motive anyway. Like, take Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, for example. They took a tremendous risk, went out on a financial limb, and worked 18 hour days for many years to make their ice cream store and later ice cream marketing company a success. They also market a product that contributes to obesity (ice cream is high in calories, usually high in fat, and high in sugar - one little Ben & Jerry's pint has 1/2 a day's calories). Yet, their motive was produce a high quality, tasty product that people liked to eat, and make money in the process. McDonald's founder was no different. Both succeeded.

you're on a break from your mcshit shift aren't you? Or do they give you breaks? hahaha, they don't sell food they sell garbage.

I generally agree that the food is low quality. So what? That's really not the point - the supermarket sells hot jowls and pork back fat - they sell cokes and pepsis - they sell ice creams and whipped creams - they sell pure salt, which if taken in enough quantities is fatal and presents a high risk to heart patients and people with high blood pressure. So fucking what? If a person wants to buy garbage they can buy it.

Lots of people think marijuana is garbage. Fuck them, I say. If a person wants to buy that garbage - I don't smoke it, and don't care to - that's up to them. The fact that I or anyone else thinks it's garbage doesn't mean fuck all.

Same thing with alcohol - it's a useless product - horrible for people. It has really no redeeming quality, except that it's fun to drink. Bet you're on the bandwagon to ban that too, right?

[Gallstones]

And those greedy fuckers care only about profits too just like every other damn capitalist.

Indeed. They are doing this out of the pure goodness of their hearts.

I think her point was that they're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They are selling food, many different kinds, including Caesar's salads (and I see they are offering oatmeal with fruit now for breakfast), for a profit - like every other company.

I mean - there's nothing wrong with that. I have a good friend who opened up a restaurant. It's a huge risk - tremendous risk. The cost is very high, and many restaurant entrepreneurs risk it all to pursue their dream of having such a place. If they couldn't make a profit (also known as "getting paid for doing work and taking risks") then why would they do it? Aren't there many other fulfilling alternatives that would allow people to express the goodness of their hearts that don't entail risking one's entire livelihood in order to pursue an endeavor?

Usually, there is a combination of "goodness of heart" and "profit" motive anyway. Like, take Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, for example. They took a tremendous risk, went out on a financial limb, and worked 18 hour days for many years to make their ice cream store and later ice cream marketing company a success. They also market a product that contributes to obesity (ice cream is high in calories, usually high in fat, and high in sugar - one little Ben & Jerry's pint has 1/2 a day's calories). Yet, their motive was produce a high quality, tasty product that people liked to eat, and make money in the process. McDonald's founder was no different. Both succeeded.

you're on a break from your mcshit shift aren't you? Or do they give you breaks? hahaha, they don't sell food they sell garbage. Nothing wrong at all with cruelty to animals on a mass scale, promoting garbage to children, exploiting workers (low wages/anti union) and destruction of the environment, nothing wrong at all. As long as fat asses can keep stuffing their faces with diarrhea.

Wow.

Based on this reply, it appears you are not here to discuss anything in an honest manner.
I suppose I could be surprised at that, but my ability to be surprised by this level of hyperbolic idiocy has worn thin.

Wow.


I'm disappointed.