The Thread of BREXIT

[Scot Dutchy]

Referenda should never be allowed. They are too drastic and just cause a complete mess and remove any possibility of compromises. Life is not black and white.
Look at the trouble the British referenda have caused and are causing.

This whole Brexit thing is turning into a massive farce. The Bullingdon boys little game back fired completely. Boris did not wont to leave and is now backpedling as fast as his little fat legs will take him. IDS is disclaiming all the false claims he made during the leave campaign. Even Farage is trying to disassociate himself from the leave campaign. Cove has disappeared. It is one fucking massive shambles that should be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about.

[DRSB]

Doesn't the Queen have a right to veto things?

[JimC]

Referenda should never be allowed. They are too drastic and just cause a complete mess and remove any possibility of compromises. Life is not black and white.
Look at the trouble the British referenda have caused and are causing.

This whole Brexit thing is turning into a massive farce. The Bullingdon boys little game back fired completely. Boris did not wont to leave and is now backpedling as fast as his little fat legs will take him. IDS is disclaiming all the false claims he made during the leave campaign. Even Farage is trying to disassociate himself from the leave campaign. Cove has disappeared. It is one fucking massive shambles that should be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about.

If we abandon referenda completely, it would be profoundly undemocratic. However, I would make the results of referenda conditional on something like an 80% turnout, and 60% at least in favour...

[Svartalf]

Doesn't the Queen have a right to veto things?

officially, none, she's just there for decoration... now, if in this era of political unrest, she stepts up to the wicket and takes things into her hands and starts a restoration of the monarchy, she might either do some good or pound in the last nail in the monarchy's coffin.

[Galaxian]

Doesn't the Queen have a right to veto things?

officially, none, she's just there for decoration... now, if in this era of political unrest, she stepts up to the wicket and takes things into her hands and starts a restoration of the monarchy, she might either do some good or pound in the last nail in the monarchy's coffin.

Not quite. The Crown has the right to reject an Act of Parliament ONCE. It then goes back to the House of Lords. If it is approved again, then the Queen has no choice but to ratify it. To then refuse risks dissolution of the monarchy.

Similarly, the House of Lords can reject a Bill from the House of Commons ONCE. It is then re-examined by the House of Commons. When it returns to the House of Lords it MUST be accepted, otherwise the House of Lords may be extinguished. But there is a way around this: Coup d'etat

[pErvinalia]

But the Queen is a space lizard. You've been sucked in again, G. Stop reading the lamestream corporate illuminati media..

[rainbow]

Fritannia is bucked

[Scot Dutchy]

Referenda should never be allowed. They are too drastic and just cause a complete mess and remove any possibility of compromises. Life is not black and white.
Look at the trouble the British referenda have caused and are causing.

This whole Brexit thing is turning into a massive farce. The Bullingdon boys little game back fired completely. Boris did not wont to leave and is now backpedling as fast as his little fat legs will take him. IDS is disclaiming all the false claims he made during the leave campaign. Even Farage is trying to disassociate himself from the leave campaign. Cove has disappeared. It is one fucking massive shambles that should be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about.

If we abandon referenda completely, it would be profoundly undemocratic. However, I would make the results of referenda conditional on something like an 80% turnout, and 60% at least in favour...

Sorry it would not. Why do we elect MP's who have more time and mostly more savvy to understand complicated matters. The man in the street has not got a clue which is obvious in this shambles.

[MrJonno]

We don't do experts in the UK, we are going to start electing our pilots and doctors soon. In fact who needs pilots and doctors you can get how to do that of the internet

[pErvinalia]

Is that where you learnt English?

[mistermack]

You can't blame them, though, for not wanting to remain in a union with England.

Except that they DO want that, and they voted for it not long ago.

they mostly voted in because they feared the lengthy process to be readmitted into the EU, now, the UK has played them flase and is leaving anyway, they want to leave UK and remain inside the EU.

Speculation and fiction. Get your own cigars.

[mistermack]

The big problem for the Scottish Nationalists is that there is no way that they can leave the UK, join the EU, and keep the pound.
They would have no alternative other than joining the Euro.
That was one of the main things that killed off the last Scottish independence attempt.

This time round, it might not kill it off, they might go. But it would be an economic disaster, and they all know it.
That's the only reason they haven't announced a referendum yet. It's not that they wouldn't win. It's that they're scared of winning.

[cronus]

The big problem for the Scottish Nationalists is that there is no way that they can leave the UK, join the EU, and keep the pound.
They would have no alternative other than joining the Euro.
That was one of the main things that killed off the last Scottish independence attempt.

This time round, it might not kill it off, they might go. But it would be an economic disaster, and they all know it.
That's the only reason they haven't announced a referendum yet. It's not that they wouldn't win. It's that they're scared of winning.

Especially if the EU either broke up or became more authoritarian....in either case Scotland would become like Greece....only worse because of the Scottish temperament and climate.

[Svartalf]

In the case Scotland left the UK to join/stay in the EU, they'd have to switch to Euro, I don't think any Scottish Pound not backed by the Bank of England would be worth a devalued Zimbabwean dollar

[mistermack]

Especially if the EU either broke up or became more authoritarian....in either case Scotland would become like Greece....only worse because of the Scottish temperament and climate.

But the Scots will always have something the Greeks will never have.

Traditional Scottish food.
Could the Greeks prepare a Mars Bar supper? I don't think so.