What would a true communist society/country look like?

[Eriku]

Seeing as you're taking these seriously and critiquing, I reckon this one needs sorting:

Not taking them seriously - I was just confused by two of the ones Sandinista posted. They sound like the slogan was misapplied to the wrong ideology. They'd be more applicable to Communism...

Is it preferable to have the state steal in order to bail out, say, the banking industry?

No. Not preferable at all.

The devastations due to letting corporations coerce governments is far greater than the horrors that occur when society takes care of its own ;P

I'd have let the fucking wall street criminals go belly up, then audited their books and jailed them for the securities and other offense I am positive those crooks committed.

Fair enough.

[Robert_S]

Is it preferable to have the state steal in order to bail out, say, the banking industry?

No. Not preferable at all.

The devastations due to letting corporations coerce governments is far greater than the horrors that occur when society takes care of its own ;P

I'd have let the fucking wall street criminals go belly up, then audited their books and jailed them for the securities and other offense I am positive those crooks committed.

+1

[Pappa]

Why post a load of images that take the piss out of totalitarian state socialism in a thread started to discuss the merits (or lack of) in "pure communism"? It's a strawman and childishly ignorant.

[Coito ergo sum]

Why post a load of images that take the piss out of totalitarian state socialism in a thread started to discuss the merits (or lack of) in "pure communism"? It's a strawman and childishly ignorant.

Because we started kidding around with each other.

[Coito ergo sum]

Why post a load of images that take the piss out of totalitarian state socialism in a thread started to discuss the merits (or lack of) in "pure communism"? It's a strawman and childishly ignorant.

Oh, plus, we've been waiting for a good, or even modestly detailed, description of what this true or pure communism is - the non-strawman, if you will. However, it has not been forthcoming.

As of this post, the proponents of communism have clarified that no example of communism yet tried in the real world is really communism. That there has not been a fair comparison anywhere between communism and capitalism...and, that nobody can really say what the pure or non-strawman communism would be like in reality.

We have heard things like: more equal society, no government, no state -- and that in some unspecified, as yet undetermined, way "the community" will (without compulsion) cause everyone to contribute what they are able to contribute and provide to each person only what they need (and that being restricted to only what one "needs" is somehow going to be an improvement).

What's the non-strawman description of a true communist society, in your view?

[Pappa]

Fair enough.

As a non-proponent of communism with over a decade past since I read Marx and communist theory, I decided early on to not take the bull by the horns and try to define a practical example of communism in action.

[LaMont Cranston]

Pappa, I think that we all have been willing to discuss the pros and cons of the "true communism" all along, and, to a large extent, we have done that. History and all of the other evidence suggest that communism doesn't work and that, eventually, communism regimes move in the direction of some form of capitalism.

I'd love to see sandinista or anybody else actually describe a system where "true communism" works or tell us what chain of events might happen where this social evolution might take place. So far, all we get is evasion and a few platitudes that make me wonder if most of what sandinista writes is tongue in cheek.

In the meantime, why not have a few laughs about this subject?

BTW, where do people find these posters that are pro or anti capitalism and communism?

[Eriku]

Pappa, I think that we all have been willing to discuss the pros and cons of the "true communism" all along, and, to a large extent, we have done that. History and all of the other evidence suggest that communism doesn't work and that, eventually, communism regimes move in the direction of some form of capitalism.

I'd love to see sandinista or anybody else actually describe a system where "true communism" works or tell us what chain of events might happen where this social evolution might take place. So far, all we get is evasion and a few platitudes that make me wonder if most of what sandinista writes is tongue in cheek.

In the meantime, why not have a few laughs about this subject?

BTW, where do people find these posters that are pro or anti capitalism and communism?

Do a google for motivational posters. It's the big thing, you know.

And I agree... why not have a larff

[LaMont Cranston]

sandinista, You know, I've been thinking about it, and I realized that there's only one small problem with communism...

IT DOESN"T WORK FOR SHIT!

[Coito ergo sum]

sandinista, You know, I've been thinking about it, and I realized that there's only one small problem with communism...

IT DOESN"T WORK FOR SHIT!

And, I will add to that, if it did it would suck. The only good thing about it is that it doesn't work. From each according to his ability to give (no reference to willingness or desire), and to each according to his need (and nothing more) is a shit concept, plain and simple. The first clause is slavery to the community - you MUST give to your ability. The second clause is misery, because a life based only on what we need, and not including even the opportunity to get what we want, is just waiting for death. The concept is subservience of the individual to the community.

[Coito ergo sum]

[Coito ergo sum]

Communism brings 9 day traffic jams!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38812252/ns ... iapacific/

Damn you, Commies!