Those crazy Muslim bastards did it again

[Seth]

Interesting that people assume it was a Muslim. Especially right after the attack was announced. There's been no confirmation from ISIS. The person hasn't been identified.

News I heard was that he was shouting "Allah akbar"

Which news?

Said on the news his name was another one of those muslamic Mow-ham-ed's. Clue in that sort of name.

It literally only said that now. Which news said he shouted Allah Akbar? When did ISIS claim responsibility?

Don't care if ISIS ever claims responsibility, it's responsible, as is every other Muslim who isn't killing violent Muslim jihadis at this moment. No more sitting on the sidelines acting pious, either you go out and kill the people you yourself (referring to "moderate Muslims") call apostates or you are fifth-columnists and sympathizers who get cut no slack.

[Seth]

84 Dead. Weapons and bombs were fake apparently. He drove for two kilometres into thousands of people. How in the hell did that truck get onto that road?

It drove around the concrete barriers.

France can't even erect effective anti-vehicle barriers? FFS!

[Seth]

Interesting that people assume it was a Muslim. Especially right after the attack was announced. There's been no confirmation from ISIS. The person hasn't been identified.

I'm going to presume it's a Muslim jihadi action until proven otherwise. If Muslim jihadis want to bitch about being unfairly castigated have them drop by the offices of the CIA in Langley, VA, where there are lots of people who would be happy to listen to them bitch...and then ask them many pointed questions using pointed objects.

[Hermit]

Don't care if ISIS ever claims responsibility, it's responsible, as is every other Muslim who isn't killing violent Muslim jihadis at this moment. No more sitting on the sidelines acting pious, either you go out and kill the people you yourself (referring to "moderate Muslims") call apostates or you are fifth-columnists and sympathizers who get cut no slack.

ISIS is no more representative of Islam as the KKK is of Christianity.

[JimC]

Don't care if ISIS ever claims responsibility, it's responsible, as is every other Muslim who isn't killing violent Muslim jihadis at this moment. No more sitting on the sidelines acting pious, either you go out and kill the people you yourself (referring to "moderate Muslims") call apostates or you are fifth-columnists and sympathizers who get cut no slack.

ISIS is no more representative of Islam as the KKK is of Christianity.

I'll slightly disagree here. It is not the sole, or main representative of Islam, but is one of the representatives of Islam, and to a degree, the terrorist actions of ISIS, or other jihadists, or lone wolf terrorists shouting Islamic phrases are a blight and a shadow over the whole of Islam.

Having said that, I do not buy into Seth's contention that moderate muslims are dissembling, and are actually secret supporters of the jihadists. That is a dangerous nonsense; it fosters a mentality that there should be general reprisals against the muslim community in the west, which is not only unjust, but highly likely to cause further cycles of radicalisation, terrorist attacks and further reprisals. This, of course, is what the fundamentalist terrorists wish to achieve...

Going back earlier in the thread, there seems to be some who are trying to convince themselves that the Nice attack had nothing to do with Islamic jihad. It was the work of a single deranged individual, they cry... Even if we are talking a lone, deranged individual here (who was clearly a muslim, BTW...), an attack of this nature would not of happened without the example and encouragement provided by earlier Islamic terrorist attacks. Personally, I suspect that it is highly likely he had assistance in the planning of this attack, if not by an "official" terrorist organisation, then by like-minded jihadists.

Back to my contention that the death penalty is a reasonable consequence. Let me make it clear that I am talking very specifically; only those convicted of either carrying out, planning or assisting with a terrorist action causing multiple civilian deaths, and only when it can be proved without a shadow of a doubt. Those who are clearly in that category have simply forsaken their licence to live in a civilised community, a community that has the right to defend itself against a war being waged against it.

[Tyrannical]

The post that appeared here was an example of racist hate speech that would be against the law in some jurisdictions. It has been removed, and further remarks of a similar nature may incur firmer action than a simple edit.

Brian.

[Hermit]

ISIS is no more representative of Islam as the KKK is of Christianity.

I'll slightly disagree here. It is not the sole, or main representative of Islam, but is one of the representatives of Islam, and to a degree, the terrorist actions of ISIS, or other jihadists, or lone wolf terrorists shouting Islamic phrases are a blight and a shadow over the whole of Islam.

And that is precisely what can be said about the KKK and Christianity at large. I see not even a slight disagreement. Read my previous post again. Carefully: "ISIS is no more representative of Islam as the KKK is of Christianity."

Back to my contention that the death penalty is a reasonable consequence. Let me make it clear that I am talking very specifically; only those convicted of either carrying out, planning or assisting with a terrorist action causing multiple civilian deaths, and only when it can be proved without a shadow of a doubt. Those who are clearly in that category have simply forsaken their licence to live in a civilised community, a community that has the right to defend itself against a war being waged against it.

OK, we get already; You support the death penalty. The difference between you and other supporters of state sanctioned killing of humans is merely a matter of where you draw the line in regard to what it takes for a human to forfeit his/her right to life.

[Hermit]

I don't appreciate slandering the KKK by comparing them to ISIS. The KKK were the good guys fighting against the ISIS equivalent of negro crime and depravity.

No need to keep digging, Tran. You've been in deep enough for long enough already.

[pErvinalia]

Man, the French and Belgians are copping it lately. This is really terrible.

Not so much. They punted when the jihadis killed 3000 Americans, so now they are getting a turn. Perhaps this will put some steel in their spines. Finally.

Dumb comment. The US/UK/Australia invasion of Iraq has lead to the creation of ISIS.

[Tyrannical]

84 Dead. Weapons and bombs were fake apparently. He drove for two kilometres into thousands of people. How in the hell did that truck get onto that road?

It drove around the concrete barriers.

France can't even erect effective anti-vehicle barriers? FFS!

I guess you missed WWII. Though the Germans cheated using paratroopers lol

[cronus]

Islamic terrorism got no religion. It's like comparing the KKK to Christianity. That's if the KKK had a active worldwide outreach intent on global domination via terror related mass murdering.

[JimC]

Man, the French and Belgians are copping it lately. This is really terrible.

Not so much. They punted when the jihadis killed 3000 Americans, so now they are getting a turn. Perhaps this will put some steel in their spines. Finally.

Dumb comment. The US/UK/Australia invasion of Iraq has lead to the creation of ISIS.

That is only part of the story. If that was all, we could regard ISIS as brave resistance leaders, fighting the horrible western imperialists. The second Gulf war was a mistake that had undesirable consequences, but was only one factor in the development of ISIS - the critical element remains the desire of fundamentalist muslims to control others via the barbaric imperatives of their interpretation of Islam...

[Animavore]

It's no wonder everyone has abandoned this small outpost of the internet. Saying all Muslims are responsible for any and everything any other Muslim does is reprehensible. It reminds me of when I was a child and I was in England and some wankers called me a 'Mick' and somehow tried to blame me for the IRA, even though I barely knew or understood who they were, other than they were a shower of bastards according to my parents.

Fucking disappointed.

[Sean Hayden]

The critical element is the inexplicable decision of bin laden's head of security to vouch for zar fucks's'name despite laden hating him, thinking he was an idiot and compromised -he'd just been released from Jordanian prison where he was doing time for planning to blow up govment (evil Jordanian imperialist 'n all)- which lead to him being given his own camp from where he later went to Iraq to spread all the love.

Who was that head of security, and where's he now?

/glaxan

[JimC]

It's no wonder everyone has abandoned this small outpost of the internet. Saying all Muslims are responsible for any and everything any other Muslim does is reprehensible. It reminds me of when I was a child and I was in England and some wankers called me a 'Mick' and somehow tried to blame me for the IRA, even though I barely knew or understood who they were, other than they were a shower of bastards according to my parents.

Fucking disappointed.

I certainly never said that. I will say that Islam as a religion needs to take some responsibility for the actions of those who use its religious texts as a reason for violence, but I have said many times that the majority of muslims, as people, are not to be blamed or discriminated against because of the actions of the jihadists..