The Thread of BREXIT

[Svartalf]

You like to hold a grudge don't you..

In polite circles it's calles having a sense of history... and the General was right

[laklak]

The Common Market was just so....common.

Our NAFTA is far superior, because we have Mexicans to do that actual work.

[klr]

The time isn't nigh but it is nearly nigh (the time that is), when the peoples of this Sceptred Isle get to resolve the vexed question of whether the European Union deserves us or not. Should we stay or should we go? If we stay there will be....no, I'm not doing that.

It's the most momentous geopolitical decision of the 21st century so far. I mean, an EU without Blighty is like The Beatles with just Ringo.

Threat? Lord Huxley regards this as a threat?

Or maybe you take the Sir Humphrey position that it's better to be inside the tent ...

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?
James Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
James Hacker: Surely we're all committed to the European ideal.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Really, Minister.
[laughs]
James Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact. The more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up. The more futile and impotent it becomes.
James Hacker: What appalling cynicism.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes. We call it diplomacy, Minister.

[rainbow]

The Common Market was just so....common.

Our NAFTA is far superior, because we have Mexicans to do that actual work.

Well in the UK, you get Poles and Hungarians who actually work, which really upsets those on the dole.

[mistermack]

The Common Market was just so....common.

Our NAFTA is far superior, because we have Mexicans to do that actual work.

Well in the UK, you get Poles and Hungarians who actually work, which really upsets those on the dole.

Yeh, but that's an incredibly dumb way of looking at it. I'm surprised you wrote it.
Poles and Hungarians come from a country with much lower wages and lower prices.
They can work in the UK at UK rates of pay, and then take the money home, and spend it at Polish or Hungarian prices. UK workers can't do that. They have to pay UK prices for everything, including a place to live.
They simply can't compete with people who have such an advantage over them.

I'll tell you what, try and hire Poles and Hungarians at Polish and Hungarian rates of pay.
Lets see then if they're so keen on work.

[Rum]

There are many Poles here in Carlisle for some reason - the work one assumes. There are enough to support five or six East European shops and one hears Polish and other European languages on the street all the time.

An interesting phenomenon though - born out by my professional knowledge from a few years back - of school populations, is the number that appear to be actually settling here rather than ferrying back and forth and doing as you describe MM. Inevitable I guess.

I wish I could settle in the South of France..

[mistermack]

There are many Poles here in Carlisle for some reason - the work one assumes. There are enough to support five or six East European shops and one hears Polish and other European languages on the street all the time.

An interesting phenomenon though - born out by my professional knowledge from a few years back - of school populations, is the number that appear to be actually settling here rather than ferrying back and forth and doing as you describe MM. Inevitable I guess.

I wish I could settle in the South of France..

Yes, but what does settle actually mean? They can sell up at any time they like, and take their money back to Poland, and retire to a very high standard of living.
Settling, in that sense, just means doing the obvious. If you are making more money than you could ever make in Poland, why go back, while the cash still coming in?

In many ways, lots of Brits are doing it too. Selling up and retiring to Spain, getting a bigger house and paying less for everything.

Without all the foreign workers, low-skilled jobs would pay much better in this country, and unemployed people wouldn't be in the benefits trap.

[laklak]

Those Poles are smart buggers, eh? I did exactly the same thing in the mideast, never regretted it.

[DaveDodo007]

Those Poles are smart buggers, eh? I did exactly the same thing in the mideast, never regretted it.

The Poles I used to work with in Runcorn were friendly hard working people, the Poles that I now work with in Liverpool are some of the most arrogant, lazy, clicky useless asreholes on the planet. The two places are only 20 miles apart, It looks like in Liverpool at least that the Hungarians are the new Poles as they are some serious grafters.

[JimC]

Poles apart, eh Dave...

[mistermack]

The Poles I used to work with in Runcorn were friendly hard working people, the Poles that I now work with in Liverpool are some of the most arrogant, lazy, clicky useless asreholes on the planet.

Well, at least they're making an effort to fit in with the locals.

[JimC]

The Poles I used to work with in Runcorn were friendly hard working people, the Poles that I now work with in Liverpool are some of the most arrogant, lazy, clicky useless asreholes on the planet.

Well, at least they're making an effort to fit in with the locals.

[DaveDodo007]

The Poles I used to work with in Runcorn were friendly hard working people, the Poles that I now work with in Liverpool are some of the most arrogant, lazy, clicky useless asreholes on the planet.

Well, at least they're making an effort to fit in with the locals.

Now, now we will have none of that.

[rainbow]

There are many Poles here in Carlisle for some reason - the work one assumes. There are enough to support five or six East European shops and one hears Polish and other European languages on the street all the time.

An interesting phenomenon though - born out by my professional knowledge from a few years back - of school populations, is the number that appear to be actually settling here rather than ferrying back and forth and doing as you describe MM. Inevitable I guess.

I wish I could settle in the South of France..

Yes, but what does settle actually mean? They can sell up at any time they like, and take their money back to Poland, and retire to a very high standard of living.
Settling, in that sense, just means doing the obvious. If you are making more money than you could ever make in Poland, why go back, while the cash still coming in?

In many ways, lots of Brits are doing it too. Selling up and retiring to Spain, getting a bigger house and paying less for everything.

That rather answers your own question.
There are thousands of expat Poms living in Europe. Do you think that the UK can exit the EU, and they will be allowed to keep their residency?

Without all the foreign workers, low-skilled jobs would pay much better in this country, and unemployed people wouldn't be in the benefits trap.

Rather have hard-working foreigners than won't-work locals.

[mistermack]

In many ways, lots of Brits are doing it too. Selling up and retiring to Spain, getting a bigger house and paying less for everything.

That rather answers your own question.
There are thousands of expat Poms living in Europe. Do you think that the UK can exit the EU, and they will be allowed to keep their residency?

I don't give a toss.

Without all the foreign workers, low-skilled jobs would pay much better in this country, and unemployed people wouldn't be in the benefits trap.

Rather have hard-working foreigners than won't-work locals.

If they're so hard working, you would think that Poland would be a glittering success, wouldn't you?
They're not hard working, they just undercut the locals on price, and force them onto the dole. But of course, in Africa, you love having people around who will work all day for a bowl of rice. Enjoy it while you can, bwana.