Those Darn Bundys At It Again!

[piscator]

Supreme Court already ruled that feds rightly own occupied refuge

Occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge question whether the federal government has unequivocal legal rights to own and manage that land, without regard to the wishes of local property owners and ranchers.

Improbably, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on exactly that question, specifically regarding the lands of the original Malheur national refuge -- twice.

Those rulings by the nation's highest court, in 1902 and in 1935, found that the federal government has an incontrovertible claim to the refuge's wetlands and lakebeds, dating back to the 1840s, when Oregon was still a territory.

"Before Oregon was admitted to statehood, the United States is shown to have acquired title which it has never in terms conveyed away," Justice Harlan Stone wrote in 1935.

The decisions underscore the area's long record of controversy over land rights -- and show that the current occupiers' claims are not backed by historical fact.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-north ... river_home

[Collector1337]

https://www.facebook.com/tiffany.house. ... 146273987/

[Hermit]

https://www.facebook.com/tiffany.house. ... 146273987/

I stopped listening when the person, who described herself as a constitutional attorney, said: "This is about a federal government that is operating outside the supreme law of the land. The people are not acting lawlessly. It's the federal government that is acting lawlessly" Doesn't really gel with the two SCOTUS verdicts Piscator quoted in the post above yours, does it?

[piscator]

Welfare ranchers and their culture of entitlement...When a second or third-generation Detroit autoworker has his job offshored to Mexico or Canada, these smug sons of bitches are first in line to say, 'Tough shit. Find something else to do if you don't like it.'

[pErvinalia]

yep

[Tero]

The federal government claims title to most of the land in Harney County, the ninth largest county in the United States. Bundy and Payne maintain that Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the U.S. Constitution limits what the federal government can own, and that the government's claim to much of Harney County violates that limit. The federal government consequently has no authority to prosecute the Hammonds.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-north ... owdow.html

Isn't that the clause that says Seth can use farm diesel to drive on public roads and avoid gas tax?

Let's see
for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; as well as National Wildlife Refuges. And Alcrataz, for those misusing diesel fuel intended for farms.

So there.

[L'Emmerdeur]

https://www.facebook.com/tiffany.house. ... 146273987/

I see your passionate Tea Party lawyer, and raise you two passionate militia men.

"Jason pressed Jed against a rack of "Birds of Oregon" books; his breath was sweet with jerky. Somewhere, an egret cried"

[mistermack]

Silly bitch. "show me where it says in the constitution that the federal government can own land".
So show me where it says that it can't. A bit more to the point, I think.

It's like saying, "show me where it says in the constitution that a man can marry another man".
It doesn't. But they can.

Constitution worshippers are like religious fundies. Obsessed with an old book that some primitive people wrote.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Silly bitch. "show me where it says in the constitution that the federal government can own land".
So show me where it says that it can't. A bit more to the point, I think.

It's like saying, "show me where it says in the constitution that a man can marry another man".
It doesn't. But they can.

Constitution worshippers are like religious fundies. Obsessed with an old book that some primitive people wrote.

Like religious zealots, they also pick and choose what they will pay attention to. The standard thinking (article of faith) among a certain self righteous libertarian element is that the Constitution of the United States was written to "restrain the federal government." One would think that such a document would not overlook land ownership, which after all was an extremely important issue at the time it was written (that hasn't changed all that much). Guess what, it doesn't. Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

I should have been clearer in my last post in this thread. As far as I'm concerned it goes without saying that the phrase "Tea Party lawyer" equates to "full of shit liar."

[piscator]

But Regan came down to change the Old Law. Every jot and tittle...to be more harmonious with the Holy 2nd...

[piscator]

"Oh Jed," Ammon sighed, head on his lover's flannel-clad shoulder. "Read me… read me the Articles of Confederation."

"Jason pressed Jed against a rack of "Birds of Oregon" books; his breath was sweet with jerky. Somewhere, an egret cried"


http://radio.com/2016/01/07/10-great-tw ... c-hashtag/

[Hermit]

"He was torn. On the one hand, being gay is a sin. On the other hand was Ammon's soft buttock." - Nicole Moore

[Tero]

Oregonian

"These guys are broke," said Mark Pitcavage, who has been researching far-right movements for 22 years and has studied the Harney County occupiers. "Right-wing extremists, generally speaking, have very little money."

Operating costs at the refuge are small. Utilities are paid for courtesy of the federal government. The facility has a bunkhouse that firefighters use in summer. One video from inside the headquarters kitchen shows the wife of one of the militants taking food from a well stocked refrigerator, preparing to cook grilled cheese for lunch and spaghetti for dinner.

But as the occupation comes to its sixth day, it's not yet clear what sacrifices the militants who have occupied the refuge are willing to make.

[pErvinalia]

They've cut the power off, haven't they? Freeze the cunts out.

[Tero]

They have not.