The Special Relationship Between the UK & US Must End

[Atheist-Lite]

The point is that the drowning giant has not yet begun flailing around in the water yet. If we waiting until that happens the drowning man will drag us under with him. The best time to resolve a friendship between states is whilst both parties are still fiscally sober but it must be realised the US drinking far more hard debt liqour than the UK. Also has a history of violence when it runs short. I think walking away now will mean Mexico and Canada can support the guy home or at least take the punches when the fighting starts?

[Coito ergo sum]

The point is that the drowning giant has not yet begun flailing around in the water yet. If we waiting until that happens the drowning man will drag us under with him.

We'll be fine if we can just do what needs to be done. Reduce public spending, including entitlement programs and cut back on some military spending. Then raise foreign tariffs a bit, and reduce regulatory and tax burdens on American businesses who engage in heavy industry inside the US - building plants. Plus, we need to authorize private development of nuclear power plants (under government regulation, of course) by the hundreds.

One area of government spending I'd raise is aerospace and NASA, provided NASA uses American based companies for development of materials, fuels and technology (with provision for partnerships with the Euros and the Russians).

The best time to resolve a friendship between states is whilst both parties are still fiscally sober but it must be realised the US drinking far more hard debt liqour than the UK. Also has a history of violence when it runs short. I think walking away now will mean Mexico and Canada can support the guy home or at least take the punches when the fighting starts?

A Brit....accusing the US of a "history of violence".... oh, the sweet hypocrisy....

[Atheist-Lite]

The point is that the drowning giant has not yet begun flailing around in the water yet. If we waiting until that happens the drowning man will drag us under with him.

We'll be fine if we can just do what needs to be done. Reduce public spending, including entitlement programs and cut back on some military spending. Then raise foreign tariffs a bit, and reduce regulatory and tax burdens on American businesses who engage in heavy industry inside the US - building plants. Plus, we need to authorize private development of nuclear power plants (under government regulation, of course) by the hundreds.

One area of government spending I'd raise is aerospace and NASA, provided NASA uses American based companies for development of materials, fuels and technology (with provision for partnerships with the Euros and the Russians).

The best time to resolve a friendship between states is whilst both parties are still fiscally sober but it must be realised the US drinking far more hard debt liqour than the UK. Also has a history of violence when it runs short. I think walking away now will mean Mexico and Canada can support the guy home or at least take the punches when the fighting starts?

A Brit....accusing the US of a "history of violence".... oh, the sweet hypocrisy....

If it's so easy to climb out of that American black hole why not go do it five or ten years ago then?

[Coito ergo sum]

The point is that the drowning giant has not yet begun flailing around in the water yet. If we waiting until that happens the drowning man will drag us under with him.

We'll be fine if we can just do what needs to be done. Reduce public spending, including entitlement programs and cut back on some military spending. Then raise foreign tariffs a bit, and reduce regulatory and tax burdens on American businesses who engage in heavy industry inside the US - building plants. Plus, we need to authorize private development of nuclear power plants (under government regulation, of course) by the hundreds.

One area of government spending I'd raise is aerospace and NASA, provided NASA uses American based companies for development of materials, fuels and technology (with provision for partnerships with the Euros and the Russians).

The best time to resolve a friendship between states is whilst both parties are still fiscally sober but it must be realised the US drinking far more hard debt liqour than the UK. Also has a history of violence when it runs short. I think walking away now will mean Mexico and Canada can support the guy home or at least take the punches when the fighting starts?

A Brit....accusing the US of a "history of violence".... oh, the sweet hypocrisy....

If it's so easy to climb out of that American black hole why not go do it five or ten years ago then?

Where did I say it was "easy?" It's not easy, because politically many people do not want to do what needs to be done. Factions don't want to cut public spending.

10 years ago the country was doing quite well, by the way. We took our turn around 2005-06.

[Atheist-Lite]

One minute your a hyper-power the next your a drunk in the gutter with memories and not much else? How it goes...you know?

[Coito ergo sum]

We should have a like-for-like relationship with the US, where we join their wars two years after they begin, when it's already won.

You had the war won on December 7, 1941? Or was it in January or February, 1942? Funny - you had it won, but D-Day wasn't until June, 1944. Fuck-all, blighty just waits on his haunches - got the game won, he does - decides he's going to wait between 2 and 2 1/2 YEARS to break into Fortress Europe. The Nazis were done for - might as well leave them out there ownin' all of Europe, right?

I.e - what fucking crock of shit. Is that what they teach you in school? That the US entered WW2 after it had already been won?

How come Britain had to pay for WW2 ? We paid for the privilege of saving Europe and the world from the Nazis, while the US sold us obsolete hardware at extortionate prices.

Lend Lease lasted from 1941 to 1945. We, the Merkins, not only fought a two front war in the Atlantic and the Pacific but also propped up the UK, France, China, the Soviet Union and other allied countries with mountains of munitions and other materials.

You didn't have to "pay for WW2" - you had to pay for YOUR FUCKING SHARE of it. I know that's hard for modern Brits to understand, because you're used to pointing the finger at "the rich" and you have the idea that if the US had the resources it ought to donate them for free. But, that's the "new Britain," after all.

And, you're the fucking blighters who caused the damn thing in the first place. After WW1 it was the US who pushed for peace with honor and without retribution against the Germans. Blighty and Froggy, however, had to keep the Krauts in their place and you buried them under the armistice deal, which ultimately led to the German economic crisis and the rise of Hitler and National Socialism. And, half your fucking country in the 1930s was sympathetic to fascism as your lovely King Edward will attest. You had no problem sending Neville Chamberlain in for peace in our time, and just handed Hitler Czechoslovakia like it didn't fucking matter.

That was your fucking ally, and you abandoned it to Hitler, along with the manufacturing wealth of that country. It bolstered and emboldened Hitler.

Somone should tell them that we saved THEIR asses from Hitler.

You could say it all you want. But, the bottom line is that you were in a precarious position in 1942, and you had nobody to fall back on. The French rolled over like a French whore, and all of continental Europe either sympathized with the Nazis (Spain, Italy, Sweden) or were conquered by them fairly easily.

Who else did you HAVE in 1942? Yourselves? Against Nazi Germany? You still maintain that you "had it won" in 1942?

Arrogant flippin' Euros - the fact is the war wasn't even "won" AFTER the Americans entered the war. It was still quite possible that Germany and Japan and Italy, et al, could have defeated the allies. Victory was by no means certain.

If it wasn't for us, Hitler would have been nuking New York in 1945.

If it wasn't for us, Hitler would have been nuking New York in 1945. If it wasn't for us, England would be a German province.

We saved their asses, and they charged us a fortune for the privilege.

So, why'd you pay it? Fuckwits pay for shit you don't owe? Who does that? Especially ones who single-handedly had World War 2 "won" in 1942? Why did you even accept delivery of any munitions or material? Why enter lend lease? You had it won, after all? Only a complete fucking idiot would do that.

It's typical american bullshit to turn something they should be deeply ashamed of into some kind of heroic victory. They are still doing it today.

The shame belongs to the UK and France. You're the ones who allowed Hitler's Germany to rise in the first place.

Fuck - if WW2 was happening now you'd be telling us that the US "War in Europe" was illegal because Nazi Germany hadn't attacked the US yet.

[Brian Peacock]

We should have a like-for-like relationship with the US, where we join their wars two years after they begin, when it's already won.
How come Britain had to pay for WW2 ? We paid for the privilege of saving Europe and the world from the Nazis, while the US sold us obsolete hardware at extortionate prices.
Somone should tell them that we saved THEIR asses from Hitler.
If it wasn't for us, Hitler would have been nuking New York in 1945.
We saved their asses, and they charged us a fortune for the privilege.

It's typical american bullshit to turn something they should be deeply ashamed of into some kind of heroic victory. They are still doing it today.

Hey, you've got to remember that the US sold obsolete hardware at extortionate prices to the Nazis, the Fascists in Italy and to the French too - Howd'ya think Grandpappy Kennedy and Grandpappy Bush made their millions? Its exactly this kind of non-partisan, even-handed, equanimity in trade which makes America the great country it is today.

So don't knock 'em; they might have put our assess in a bind but they saved 'em too, and gave our economy something to strive for - colour tvs, pepsi cola, peanut butter etc.

And they gave us this too....

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Product placement. Now where would we be without that today? Eh? Eh?

[Atheist-Lite]

World war two is ancient history. Who care's who scratched who's back seventy years ago. This is the time we live. And all I see is Merkins spending money like its toilet paper, which it is rapidly becoming, to pay for the next drink at the bar and another nostelgia trip with some old friend....I've seen losers like that before. A certain S'viet Onion came into the same last drink saloon not two decades gone - there wasn't much left of Mr S'viet by the time he'd piled out into the street, come the following day.

[Coito ergo sum]

World war two is ancient history. Who care's who scratched who's back seventy years ago.

Apparently mistermack.

This is the time we live. And all I see is Merkins spending money like its toilet paper, which it is rapidly becoming, to pay for the next drink at the bar and another nostelgia trip with some old friend....I've seen losers like that before.

I agree that the US is spending money like toilet paper. That's what some of us have been complaining about for the last six years.

[Atheist-Lite]

World war two is ancient history. Who care's who scratched who's back seventy years ago.

Apparently mistermack.

This is the time we live. And all I see is Merkins spending money like its toilet paper, which it is rapidly becoming, to pay for the next drink at the bar and another nostelgia trip with some old friend....I've seen losers like that before.

I agree that the US is spending money like toilet paper. That's what some of us have been complaining about for the last six years.

I'll say it once. As a friend. More, much more, than I should say. A parasitical 'isolationist' ruling class(wall st/harvard based?) is bleeding America dry and will leave a emaciated corpse. If you don't organise to deal with these things now everyday passing is making you weaker and this is so much more visible from the outside. Troubles in other parts of the world are a reflection of a failure in the 'worlds policeman' to see his predictament.

[Ian]

Oh, you just don't want to admit the inevitability of Britain applying for US statehood.

Territorial status (like Puerto Rico) for your island will have to come first.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh, you just don't want to admit the inevitability of Britain applying for US statehood.

Territorial status (like Puerto Rico) for your island will have to come first.

Then we send in a crack team of cooking teachers. If they're successful we'll upgrade England to "colonial" status.

[Atheist-Lite]

Oh, you just don't want to admit the inevitability of Britain applying for US statehood.

Territorial status (like Puerto Rico) for your island will have to come first.

Then we send in a crack team of cooking teachers. If they're successful we'll upgrade England to "colonial" status.

We do have a edge. We invented your language.

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh, you just don't want to admit the inevitability of Britain applying for US statehood.

Territorial status (like Puerto Rico) for your island will have to come first.

Then we send in a crack team of cooking teachers. If they're successful we'll upgrade England to "colonial" status.

We do have a edge. We invented your language.

You have "an" edge? Is that what you said? It seems as if you've lost that one.

[Atheist-Lite]

Oh, you just don't want to admit the inevitability of Britain applying for US statehood.

Territorial status (like Puerto Rico) for your island will have to come first.

Then we send in a crack team of cooking teachers. If they're successful we'll upgrade England to "colonial" status.

We do have a edge. We invented your language.

You have "an" edge? Is that what you said? It seems as if you've lost that one.

No need for a edge if your happy in your own skin.