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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by sandinista » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:52 pm

devogue wrote:
sandinista wrote:hiphop artists
:coffeespray:
now you're the art police. Some real egos around here.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by devogue » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:55 pm

sandinista wrote:
devogue wrote:
sandinista wrote:hiphop artists
:coffeespray:
now you're the art police. Some real egos around here.
:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:03 pm

Rap or "hiphop" is not my :tea: .

But, neither is Gregorian chanting or Industrial music.

I find rap/hiphop to be off-putting. I find it unpleasant to listen to, more irritating than anything else. I find the poetry simplistic and the language moronic, generally speaking given what I've heard.
Got you working with some ass, yeah
You bad, yeah
Make a nigga spend his cash, yeah
His last, yeah
Hoes clown when you pass, yeah
They mad, yeah
You gon' ride in the Jag, yeah
With dad, yeah
You could smoke or buy a bag, yeah
A grass, yeah
Got money I confess, yeah
And trash, yeah
I'm a Big Tymer nigga, yeah
Pulling trigger, yeah
A player hater to flip with, yeah
Gon' head and fill it, yeah
I be slanging wood, yeah
Out the hood, yeah
Let it be understood, yeah
It's all good, yeah
Got a nigga screaming large, yeah
On the hard, yeah
A smooth ghetto broad, yeah
I want the broad, yeah
A nigga do a trick, yeah
On the dick, yeah
You claiming you want a bitch, yeah
That ain't shit, yeah
The nigga with the money, yeah
Don't act funny, yeah
Got birds and I'm running, yeah
'Bout a hundred, yeah

I think that's fairly representative of the quality of rap tunes I've heard. But, to each his or her own.

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by devogue » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:09 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Rap or "hiphop" is not my :tea: .

But, neither is Gregorian chanting or Industrial music.

I find rap/hiphop to be off-putting. I find it unpleasant to listen to, more irritating than anything else. I find the poetry simplistic and the language moronic, generally speaking given what I've heard.
Got you working with some ass, yeah
You bad, yeah
Make a nigga spend his cash, yeah
His last, yeah
Hoes clown when you pass, yeah
They mad, yeah
You gon' ride in the Jag, yeah
With dad, yeah
You could smoke or buy a bag, yeah
A grass, yeah
Got money I confess, yeah
And trash, yeah
I'm a Big Tymer nigga, yeah
Pulling trigger, yeah
A player hater to flip with, yeah
Gon' head and fill it, yeah
I be slanging wood, yeah
Out the hood, yeah
Let it be understood, yeah
It's all good, yeah
Got a nigga screaming large, yeah
On the hard, yeah
A smooth ghetto broad, yeah
I want the broad, yeah
A nigga do a trick, yeah
On the dick, yeah
You claiming you want a bitch, yeah
That ain't shit, yeah
The nigga with the money, yeah
Don't act funny, yeah
Got birds and I'm running, yeah
'Bout a hundred, yeah

I think that's fairly representative of the quality of rap tunes I've heard. But, to each his or her own.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by eXcommunicate » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:52 am

Gawdzilla wrote:Children always think they're cool. It never changes.
Damn, Gawdzilla, I thought your age being 100 was a joke. :{D Not a huge fan of rap, but Coito, you gotta appreciate some of Eminem's rhymes though. That dude can turn anything into poetry. Having said that, yeah, 90% of all modern music is a fucking joke, but that has been the case since music was invented. Only the good stuff is passed down through the generations in a quasi-survival of the fittest.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:20 am

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Gawdzilla wrote:Children always think they're cool. It never changes.
Damn, Gawdzilla, I thought your age being 100 was a joke. :{D Not a huge fan of rap, but Coito, you gotta appreciate some of Eminem's rhymes though. That dude can turn anything into poetry. Having said that, yeah, 90% of all modern music is a fucking joke, but that has been the case since music was invented. Only the good stuff is passed down through the generations in a quasi-survival of the fittest.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:59 pm

eXcommunicate wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Children always think they're cool. It never changes.
Damn, Gawdzilla, I thought your age being 100 was a joke. :{D Not a huge fan of rap, but Coito, you gotta appreciate some of Eminem's rhymes though. That dude can turn anything into poetry. Having said that, yeah, 90% of all modern music is a fucking joke, but that has been the case since music was invented. Only the good stuff is passed down through the generations in a quasi-survival of the fittest.
Eminem is not my :tea: - I don't find the sound or the poetry appealing. The subject matter is usually vulgar, the lyrics profane, and I usually am irritated by the music more than anything else. If he's a genius, I'm missing it. But, then again, I think Led Zepellin and the Rolling Stones are great. To each their own crap, I guess.

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:07 pm

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:35 pm

Dem lawmaker on labor protests: 'Get a little bloody when necessary'
By Michael O'Brien - 02/23/11 07:57 AM ET
Sometimes it's necessary to get out on the streets and "get a little bloody," a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin.

Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) fired up a group of union members in Boston with a speech urging them to work down in the trenches to fend off limits to workers' rights like those proposed in Wisconsin.

"I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going," Capuano said, according to the Dorchester Reporter. "Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... -necessary


I'm impressed with the civil tone of the political dialog and debate these days. We've certainly moved on from the incendiary rhetoric that directly caused the Gabrielle Giffords' shooting.....

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by maiforpeace » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:19 pm

JimC wrote:You betray your ignorance of history if you claim that the civil rights movement supports any aspect of an argument for violent revolution. It was a movement of non-violent protest in the main. It was a victory for humanitarianism, for progressive political forces, but not a victory of doctrinaire marxism...
If you are referring to MLK's legacy, I suppose. But there were also others (at least, here in the US) who had a significant impact on the civil rights movement, and they did argue for violent revolution. Lest we forget Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers, to name a couple.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Rob » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:12 pm

Sand, What would you like government of the United States to do? Is it possible for the US to perform a right action?
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by sandinista » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:33 pm

Rob wrote:Sand, What would you like government of the United States to do? Is it possible for the US to perform a right action?
Not be at war for an entire year. That would be a start.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Robert_S » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:13 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
JimC wrote:You betray your ignorance of history if you claim that the civil rights movement supports any aspect of an argument for violent revolution. It was a movement of non-violent protest in the main. It was a victory for humanitarianism, for progressive political forces, but not a victory of doctrinaire marxism...
If you are referring to MLK's legacy, I suppose. But there were also others (at least, here in the US) who had a significant impact on the civil rights movement, and they did argue for violent revolution. Lest we forget Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers, to name a couple.
The panthers went so far as to actually arm themselves. I hear that out in California's cities, that was the best way to be treated with respect by the racist cops.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by laklak » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:30 pm

You mean The Revolution is here? Finally?

Son of a bitch, I've been waiting for years. I've nearly worn out my Buffalo Springfield and Strawberry Alarm Clock albums. Time to buy a case of Rogaine and dust off my Free Huey T-shirt.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by JimC » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:33 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
JimC wrote:You betray your ignorance of history if you claim that the civil rights movement supports any aspect of an argument for violent revolution. It was a movement of non-violent protest in the main. It was a victory for humanitarianism, for progressive political forces, but not a victory of doctrinaire marxism...
If you are referring to MLK's legacy, I suppose. But there were also others (at least, here in the US) who had a significant impact on the civil rights movement, and they did argue for violent revolution. Lest we forget Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers, to name a couple.
They argued for it, but didn't get it, largely because the mass of the people involved saw clearly that they were romantic and delusional fools, and preferred the pragmatism of dogged and hard-working reformers.
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