Is National Socialism really so bad??

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Re: Is National Socialism really so bad??

Post by laklak » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:59 pm

JimC wrote: The point about true believers, of any political stripe, has been made by multitudes of clear headed commentators, because it can be observed in history over and over again. When allegiance to a political philosophy becomes absolute, many of the features of religious excess are found. This certainly includes viciously turning on members of your group that have dared to deviate a little (ice picks, anyone?)
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Re: Is National Socialism really so bad??

Post by sandinista » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:45 pm

JimC wrote:
sandinista wrote:
laklak wrote:One of the Brownshirt's prime recruitment pools was the Communist party. Fanatics can change their stripes like most people change underwear. Read Hoffer's "True Believer".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
Hoffer does not take an exclusively negative view of "true believers" and the mass movements they begin. Examples he gives of positive true believers are Abraham Lincoln and Gandhi.
Lincoln and Ghandi good, commies bad... :hilarious: Sounds like a good non-biased book...think I'll pass.
The point about true believers, of any political stripe, has been made by multitudes of clear headed commentators, because it can be observed in history over and over again. When allegiance to a political philosophy becomes absolute, many of the features of religious excess are found. This certainly includes viciously turning on members of your group that have dared to deviate a little (ice picks, anyone?)
Yes, i agree to a certain extent, the book just sounds like BS. I see that absolute political allegiance all the time with proponents of neo liberalism.
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Re: Is National Socialism really so bad??

Post by JimC » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:02 pm

sandinista wrote:
JimC wrote:
sandinista wrote:
laklak wrote:One of the Brownshirt's prime recruitment pools was the Communist party. Fanatics can change their stripes like most people change underwear. Read Hoffer's "True Believer".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
Hoffer does not take an exclusively negative view of "true believers" and the mass movements they begin. Examples he gives of positive true believers are Abraham Lincoln and Gandhi.
Lincoln and Ghandi good, commies bad... :hilarious: Sounds like a good non-biased book...think I'll pass.
The point about true believers, of any political stripe, has been made by multitudes of clear headed commentators, because it can be observed in history over and over again. When allegiance to a political philosophy becomes absolute, many of the features of religious excess are found. This certainly includes viciously turning on members of your group that have dared to deviate a little (ice picks, anyone?)
Yes, i agree to a certain extent, the book just sounds like BS. I see that absolute political allegiance all the time with proponents of neo liberalism.
You won't see it to the point where those with a different take on neo liberalism (I prefer centrist, anyway...) are sent to Siberia, or a concentration camp, or visited by people handy with an ice pick...
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Re: Is National Socialism really so bad??

Post by sandinista » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:22 pm

JimC wrote:
sandinista wrote:
JimC wrote:
sandinista wrote:
laklak wrote:One of the Brownshirt's prime recruitment pools was the Communist party. Fanatics can change their stripes like most people change underwear. Read Hoffer's "True Believer".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
Hoffer does not take an exclusively negative view of "true believers" and the mass movements they begin. Examples he gives of positive true believers are Abraham Lincoln and Gandhi.
Lincoln and Ghandi good, commies bad... :hilarious: Sounds like a good non-biased book...think I'll pass.
The point about true believers, of any political stripe, has been made by multitudes of clear headed commentators, because it can be observed in history over and over again. When allegiance to a political philosophy becomes absolute, many of the features of religious excess are found. This certainly includes viciously turning on members of your group that have dared to deviate a little (ice picks, anyone?)
Yes, i agree to a certain extent, the book just sounds like BS. I see that absolute political allegiance all the time with proponents of neo liberalism.
You won't see it to the point where those with a different take on neo liberalism (I prefer centrist, anyway...) are sent to Siberia, or a concentration camp, or visited by people handy with an ice pick...
guess it depends on what the "different take" is.

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