All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

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Post by Joe » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:33 pm

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State Dept. intensifies email probe of Hillary Clinton’s former aides
The Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Department officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email, reviving a politically toxic matter that overshadowed the 2016 election, current and former officials said.

As many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by State Department investigators — a list that includes senior officials who reported directly to Clinton as well as others in lower-level jobs whose emails were at some point relayed to her inbox, said current and former State Department officials. Those targeted were notified that emails they sent years ago have been retroactively classified and now constitute potential security violations, according to letters reviewed by The Washington Post.

In virtually all of the cases, potentially sensitive information, now recategorized as “classified,” was sent to Clinton’s unsecure inbox.

State Department investigators began contacting the former officials about 18 months ago, after President Trump’s election, and then seemed to drop the effort before picking it up in August, officials said.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:22 pm

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Trump still looking for "missing" Democratic servers

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Joe » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:44 pm

Latest CBS poll on impeachment.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:43 pm

Bunch of libertarian independents.
Meanwhile:
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Post by Tero » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:39 pm

Best conspiracy ever!
The overarching theme of this conspiracy theory is that the DNC fabricated evidence to implicate Russia in the cyber attacks.[131] Crowdstrike's co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch is a naturalized American citizen born in the Soviet Union.[132][133] According to the hoax, Alperovitch is a Ukrainian who was ordered by the DNC to discredit Russia for the election interference and he was personally motivated to get even with Vladimir Putin. Also, according to the theory, Crowdstrike is owned by a rich Ukrainian[73] and the actual server involved in the cyber attack is in Ukraine. Crowdstrike is actually a publicly traded company headquartered in California. "The" server is actually 140 servers, decommissioned and located in the United States.[134] The theory additionally says FBI agents were not allowed to examine the server because such action would expose the DNC plot,[131] although in fact – and as documented in the Mueller Report – images and traffic logs of the DNC servers were provided to the FBI.[134] This conspiracy theory originated from a "GRU persona, 'Guccifer 2.0,' created to cast doubt on Russia's culpability in the DNC [intrusion]."
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:53 pm

According to Amanda Marcotte, Trump isn't the feckless blockhead his White House aides imply that he is. His long-standing habit of purveying conspiracy-theorist crap is not a manifestation of gullibility, but malice. I think she's correct.

'Does Donald Trump really believe all those conspiracy theories? Depends what you mean by "believe"'
Lies come more easily to Trump than the truth, it seems. That's why the simplest explanation for his tendency toward insane conspiracy theories is not that he's actually duped by the nonsense he spouts, but that he's trying to dupe his followers, in the same way he spent his career duping customers, charities and contractors. Trump's greatest and perhaps only real pleasure in life is getting one over on someone else. So when he spreads conspiracy theories, such as that Hillary Clinton had his friend Jeffrey Epstein murdered, or that he lost the popular vote in 2016 due to widespread voter fraud, the safe bet is that he knows it's not true and he's just trying to bamboozle his gullible followers, whom he holds in obvious contempt.

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On Monday morning, the White House reporting team of Maggie Haberman, Peter Baker and Sheryl Gay Stolberg of the New York Times published an article pushing the idea that Trump isn't a liar so much as he's an idiot.

"President Trump was repeatedly warned by his own staff that the Ukraine conspiracy theory that he and his lawyer were pursuing was 'completely debunked' long before the president pressed Ukraine this summer to investigate his Democratic rivals, a former top adviser said on Sunday," they write in a piece that finally puts a name — former homeland security adviser Thomas Bossert — to the steady stream of accusations of Trump's terminal stupidity flowing from White House aides to the Times.

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The New York Times team clearly prefers the theory that Trump is a dupe rather than a deceiver. They write that "former [White House] aides said separately on Sunday that the president had a particular weakness for conspiracy theories involving Ukraine," and emphasize that Trump prefers to hear from people who are peddling such theories instead of those who are sharing actual evidence gathered by intelligence services.

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It may seem weird to argue that Trump-the-moron is a narrative that benefits the president, but in fact that works for him — and especially the people under him — better than the narrative that he knows exactly what he's doing. Stupidity removes considerable moral culpability from both Trump and his advisers.

It allows the aides to portray themselves as good people who are just trying to manage an irrational boss, rather than people who are knowingly covering for a criminal, which is what their actual actions (such as illegally concealing his conversations with foreign leaders) would suggest. It allows Republican politicians, pundits and voters to tell themselves that Trump is a well-meaning guy who should be forgiven his peccadilloes, since he's just too dumb to know better.

In reality, there are strong indications that Trump is aware that the conspiracy theories he spouts are false and that he understands that when he asks other people — whether that's foreign heads of state, his own lawyers or White House aides — to produce "evidence," he's actually asking them to concoct false evidence on his behalf.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by laklak » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:22 pm

He's been taking the fuckin Mick out of all y'all the whole time. He's got both parties so far up their own asses they can't see sunlight. Go Trumpy! Stick it to 'em!

Compared to politics, all other forms of human stupidity shrink to insignificance. God help me, I do love it so.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:22 pm

Yeah but what is the point? The same 40% will vote for him again, except he has lost a few crucial percent in Wisconsin and PA etc. He is never going to add to STUPID vote, it is already at the max.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by laklak » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:26 pm

You're such an optimist Tero. We haven't begun to plumb the true depths of American Stupid, it's the Marianas Trench of ignorant vapidity.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Joe » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:49 pm

It's probably a good time to remind ourselves of the old saying:
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:37 pm

Trump disapproval went up
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
but last polls still tracking Trump vs any democrat at 50/50
polls up to Sep 24

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Re: All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

Post by Tero » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:39 pm

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell conceded Monday that if the House votes to impeach President Donald Trump, he would have "no choice" but to address the matter and hold a trial in the chamber—as is currently required.

"Well, under the Senate rules, we're required to take it up, if the House does go down that path, and we'll follow the set of rules," the Kentucky Republican said on CNBC. "It's a Senate rule related to impeachment that would take 67 votes to change. So, I would have no choice but to take it up."

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