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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:26 pm

Republican senators scared of the President's political base refuse to cross him, especially with two Georgia runoff elections scheduled for January that will decide control of their chamber.
This keeps coming up. It doesn't make sense. The claim is usually that by acknowledging Trump's defeat they'll hurt their chances in the two runoffs. But you can just as easily argue the opposite: by enraging the base they'll help turnout.

I think they want this narrative to work for them for the next four years. They're happy to have this handed to them by the President.

I'm mad because it's irresponsible. They can't control this thing.
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Post by Tero » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:06 pm

Lawyers, in court, have no claims to make. If the spout conspiracy theories, they get disbarred:

Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the law firm leading the Trump campaign’s efforts to cast doubt on the presidential election results in Pennsylvania, abruptly withdrew from a federal lawsuit that it filed days earlier on behalf of President Trump.
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Post by Tero » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:10 pm

CNN President-elect Joe Biden's transition team is back-channeling with governors, the private sector and the medical community to prepare its Covid-19 response, as the Trump administration continues to block Biden's access to federal agencies, sources close to the transition tell CNN.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by laklak » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:47 pm

Let's have a do-over. Think of what fun we'll have!
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:22 am

I can't believe it's impossible to hold him accountable. Instead, the lawyers working for him may get into trouble. :lol:
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Post by NineBerry » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:38 am

Video: alleged dead voters are alive

https://twitter.com/BrendanKeefe/status ... 6849644545

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Post by Tero » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:25 pm

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/ ... ans-436475
Rudy found one friend, a lawyer conspiracy nut:

Giuliani has been joined by Sidney Powell, an attorney for retired Gen. Michael Flynn. During a Sunday appearance on Fox News, she described a “massive and coordinated effort to steal this election” and said there had been an effort to “delegitimize and destroy votes for Donald Trump” and “manufacture votes for Joe Biden.”

She added that Democrats “used an algorithm to calculate the votes they would need to flip and they used computers to flip those votes from Trump to Biden and from other Republican candidates to their competitors also.”

Powell was apparently referring to a debunked conspiracy theory that Dominion Voting Systems, an election software company, altered vote counts in Michigan and Georgia.

Bossie has told the president there needs to be a more nuanced, state-by-state approach targeted to specific instances of irregularities, according to two people familiar with the discussions.

With Giuliani's ascendance, there are now expected to be two parallel legal teams working on different tracks. Senior Republicans doubt Giuliani’s ideas will go anywhere and say Bossie’s team will proceed with its own efforts.

Republican officials said they viewed Trump's decision to promote Giuliani as an implicit acknowledgment that his legal options are closing and a sign that he's determined to go out guns blazing. Top Republicans described a feeling of resignation late Friday that the election was coming to a close.

The president made the move after advisers informed him in the morning that the Arizona lawsuit had been dropped. Giuliani spent part of the day working out of the campaign's headquarters.

Trump’s legal team is also facing pressure campaigns from outside detractors. On Thursday evening, the law firm Porter Wright Morris & Arthur told a federal judge that it was withdrawing from a Pennsylvania lawsuit the reelection effort had filed. The move came after the anti-Trump Lincoln Project published a tweet urging supporters to contact the firm’s attorneys through their social media accounts.

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Still, the president’s team has pushed forward, working 12- to 15-hour days as they race against certification deadlines. They’ve set up a hotline staffed by 40 people to collect reports of irregularities. Prank calls have proven disruptive, however.

While the campaign is expected to lay off much of its staff in the coming days, it is keeping on employees whose work is relevant to the legal fight, including people in the communications and research departments.

Trump advisers have begun looking at the possibility of pushing Republican-controlled state legislatures to put forward a slate of Trump electors to the Electoral College rather than Biden ones.

But there is mounting skepticism even in Republican circles that Trump can pull it off in the courts. He has suffered a string of legal defeats in recent days and Biden’s lead in the contested states has climbed well into the thousands, making it unlikely that any recount could put Trump over the top.

And many see little evidence of irregularities.

“There’s zero, zero basis” for overturning the election, said Richard, the ex-Bush attorney. “They’re not going to win this. All these cases, I think, will be dismissed by the end of next week.”
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Post by Tero » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:47 pm

AP News:
Republican leaders in four critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won’t participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state’s electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate’s victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.
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Post by Tero » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:25 pm

Trump needed Stone last time so he can have one last Trump rally today.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/business ... index.html
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Post by laklak » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:29 pm

Trump 2024! Make America Great Again, Again!
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Post by Joe » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:46 pm

We'll have to start calling him Grover II if he pulls that off.
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Post by JimC » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:01 am

Interesting article by Stan Grant on the ABC website:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-15/ ... a/12876516

This excerpt is towards the end of the article:
Donald Trump has lied like so many American presidents before him; his handling of the coronavirus shows that, just like with other leaders, his lies cost lives.

America has survived its worst presidents and its history of lies. In spite of it all it has been a remarkable country. Its promise of hope has lured people from all around the world, chasing their dreams. Yet today that hope looks more like another lie.

President-elect Joe Biden is peddling his own myth about a land of "possibilities" that tens of millions of Americans gave up on a long time ago.

Economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton chronicle this downward spiral in their book, Deaths of Despair. It is devastating portrait of a lost generation; an America of 'haves-and-have-nots', where a four-year college degree is not just the difference between career prospects but between life and death.

This is an America of meaningless or no work, declining wages and shattered families.

Harvard University philosopher Michael Sandel reveals in his latest book a country in which the rich get richer and the poor stay where they are.

The richest one per cent, Sandel points out, earn more than the bottom half combined. If you're born poor, you likely stay poor. Of those in the bottom fifth of the income scale, Sandel says, "only about one in 20 will make it to the top fifth".

But Biden and Kamala Harris say you can make it if you try.

Harris points to her black, Indian and immigrant background — she will become the first female vice-president — as proof of the American Dream. But Harris is the daughter of solidly middle-class parents who are university academics. She never had to "make it".

Now Harris's husband Doug Emhoff — a wealthy partner in a prestigious law firm — is reportedly in line for a White House job.

Just like Trump's family, just like the Clintons, the Bushes and the Obamas: more power and privilege passed around like presents under a Christmas tree.

Little wonder so many Americans see Washington politics as a racket that serves the wealthy.

The poor and left-behind are not fooled. Americans know too well the lies their presidents tell while they have to live with the devastating, sad truth of their own lives.
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Post by Hermit » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:45 am

JimC wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:01 am
Interesting article by Stan Grant on the ABC website:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-15/ ... a/12876516

This excerpt is towards the end of the article:
Donald Trump has lied like so many American presidents before him; his handling of the coronavirus shows that, just like with other leaders, his lies cost lives.

America has survived its worst presidents and its history of lies. In spite of it all it has been a remarkable country. Its promise of hope has lured people from all around the world, chasing their dreams. Yet today that hope looks more like another lie.

President-elect Joe Biden is peddling his own myth about a land of "possibilities" that tens of millions of Americans gave up on a long time ago.

Economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton chronicle this downward spiral in their book, Deaths of Despair. It is devastating portrait of a lost generation; an America of 'haves-and-have-nots', where a four-year college degree is not just the difference between career prospects but between life and death.

This is an America of meaningless or no work, declining wages and shattered families.

Harvard University philosopher Michael Sandel reveals in his latest book a country in which the rich get richer and the poor stay where they are.

The richest one per cent, Sandel points out, earn more than the bottom half combined. If you're born poor, you likely stay poor. Of those in the bottom fifth of the income scale, Sandel says, "only about one in 20 will make it to the top fifth".

But Biden and Kamala Harris say you can make it if you try.

Harris points to her black, Indian and immigrant background — she will become the first female vice-president — as proof of the American Dream. But Harris is the daughter of solidly middle-class parents who are university academics. She never had to "make it".


Now Harris's husband Doug Emhoff — a wealthy partner in a prestigious law firm — is reportedly in line for a White House job.

Just like Trump's family, just like the Clintons, the Bushes and the Obamas: more power and privilege passed around like presents under a Christmas tree.

Little wonder so many Americans see Washington politics as a racket that serves the wealthy.

The poor and left-behind are not fooled. Americans know too well the lies their presidents tell while they have to live with the devastating, sad truth of their own lives.
Social mobility strikes me as one of the most important factors. It has always been overhyped. An increasing number of Americans are realising that it has all but vanished.

Another one is, to use a well worn metaphor, that a rising tide no longer lifts all boats. It hasn't for almost half a century. It's really difficult to maintain the view that a nation's body politic works well when it doesn't work for you.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:32 am

The Capitalist Dream. But that is nothing new. Reganomics Started it all for the 1%.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:34 pm

Nah, it was the labour crisis of the early-mid 70s that started it - paying workers a decent wage was just cutting into profits too much.
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