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Osama bin Laden: Dead
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The US has broken International law so seriously it is unreal.
Imagine this:
It is 1985, and the Troubles are raging in Northern Ireland. The British Secret Service has located the leader of the IRA in exile in the USA after escaping from prison in Northern Ireland some years before. He has released videos, and espoused the cause from abroad, but he is finally tracked down to a house not far from West Point, New York.
The British authorities distrust their American allies, they have a feeling that some senior senators and military figures sympathise with the IRA's cause, and they might tip off the leader and he will escape justice again, so the British government authorises a plan to deal with him without informing the US government.
Using CFB Suffield in Canada as a base, an SAS troop is helicoptered in to the USA, flying low to evade radar. They land beside the IRA leader's house and a gun fight begins. Members of the IRA man's family are killed before he is finally discovered in a bedroom, unarmed. An SAS man shoots him in the head and then in the chest. His body is bundled on to a helicopter and taken from the USA, to be disposed of from a British aircraft carrier sailing off the coast of Newfoundland.
What do you think American reaction to such an operation would be? Do you think they would consider Britain's actions to be fair and within International law? Do you think America would accept British reasons for such an operation? Do you think America and the UN would turn a blind eye to such actions?
Imagine this:
It is 1985, and the Troubles are raging in Northern Ireland. The British Secret Service has located the leader of the IRA in exile in the USA after escaping from prison in Northern Ireland some years before. He has released videos, and espoused the cause from abroad, but he is finally tracked down to a house not far from West Point, New York.
The British authorities distrust their American allies, they have a feeling that some senior senators and military figures sympathise with the IRA's cause, and they might tip off the leader and he will escape justice again, so the British government authorises a plan to deal with him without informing the US government.
Using CFB Suffield in Canada as a base, an SAS troop is helicoptered in to the USA, flying low to evade radar. They land beside the IRA leader's house and a gun fight begins. Members of the IRA man's family are killed before he is finally discovered in a bedroom, unarmed. An SAS man shoots him in the head and then in the chest. His body is bundled on to a helicopter and taken from the USA, to be disposed of from a British aircraft carrier sailing off the coast of Newfoundland.
What do you think American reaction to such an operation would be? Do you think they would consider Britain's actions to be fair and within International law? Do you think America would accept British reasons for such an operation? Do you think America and the UN would turn a blind eye to such actions?
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You declare war on us, you're going to die. The legal shit can come after.
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Gawdzilla wrote:You declare war on us, you're going to die. The legal shit can come after.
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And a hearty Graham Norton to you.
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I somehow don't think Pakistan wants to press charges. If we were to land in Pakistan and burn a copy of the Koran however...
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Here's a conspiracy theory for you. In fact, I think it's just common sense but I will leave that for you all to decide...
The US did not go into Pakistan covertly and kill OBL with the local authorities having no idea about it and without them sanctioning it.
On the contrary, high-level Pakistani politicians and military personnel, almost certainly including the president, were aware of the mission and complicit in its execution - at least in as much as they provided intelligence and agreed to turn a blind eye to it. However, any Pakistani that aided in this mission would immediately become a "legitimate" target for assassination by the TTP (the Pakistani taliban.) For this reason, the mission HAD to appear to be an unilateral act by the Americans - the TTP hate them already. Any Pakistani that had done as much as give a US soldier the right time would be a hunted man by now.
Islamic fundamentalists are a small but significant minority in Pakistan. They are also notoriously violent and extremely vocal with many, especially in "tribal areas" giving tacit support to them for fear of reprisal if they don't. Politicians have been murdered for asking for reform of Pakistan's blasphemy laws - imagine what would happen to anyone that helped get Bin Laden?
You will find that there will be covert thanks (payment?) for the help given in this mission. An increase in foreign aid from the US or some such is my guess. Although it could be something a little more under the table - military know-how or equipment perhaps.
The US did not go into Pakistan covertly and kill OBL with the local authorities having no idea about it and without them sanctioning it.
On the contrary, high-level Pakistani politicians and military personnel, almost certainly including the president, were aware of the mission and complicit in its execution - at least in as much as they provided intelligence and agreed to turn a blind eye to it. However, any Pakistani that aided in this mission would immediately become a "legitimate" target for assassination by the TTP (the Pakistani taliban.) For this reason, the mission HAD to appear to be an unilateral act by the Americans - the TTP hate them already. Any Pakistani that had done as much as give a US soldier the right time would be a hunted man by now.
Islamic fundamentalists are a small but significant minority in Pakistan. They are also notoriously violent and extremely vocal with many, especially in "tribal areas" giving tacit support to them for fear of reprisal if they don't. Politicians have been murdered for asking for reform of Pakistan's blasphemy laws - imagine what would happen to anyone that helped get Bin Laden?
You will find that there will be covert thanks (payment?) for the help given in this mission. An increase in foreign aid from the US or some such is my guess. Although it could be something a little more under the table - military know-how or equipment perhaps.
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How about ... they dumped him in the ocean and don't want to show the pictures, because they might reveal that he was shot in the BACK of the head.... 
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Or.... he wasn't dead yet; they drowned himCoito ergo sum wrote:How about ... they dumped him in the ocean and don't want to show the pictures, because they might reveal that he was shot in the BACK of the head....
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Heads are round for a reason.Coito ergo sum wrote:How about ... they dumped him in the ocean and don't want to show the pictures, because they might reveal that he was shot in the BACK of the head....
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They should have taken him to a military morgue on an American aircraft carrier and kept him on ice. They should have flown folks from the Arab League over to the carrier to view the body. They should have released photos of the body, after all, Osama's attacks were attacks against all Americans, and others, and we ought to have the right to see him. Why there should be secrecy here makes no sense.
All the talk of "sensitivity" to Muslims is stupid. They announced that the SEALs brought bomb sniffing dogs with them - where's the sensitivity there? Muslims hate dogs as unclean animals, and we had them sniffing all over Muslim land and living and dead Muslims. And, we shot a bunch of Muslims there. Now we need to be"sensitive?" Come on...
All the talk of "sensitivity" to Muslims is stupid. They announced that the SEALs brought bomb sniffing dogs with them - where's the sensitivity there? Muslims hate dogs as unclean animals, and we had them sniffing all over Muslim land and living and dead Muslims. And, we shot a bunch of Muslims there. Now we need to be"sensitive?" Come on...
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CES, the move was designed to show that we are aware of Muslim tradition and custom. Burial within 24, with proper ceremony. The softliners can say we observed the forms in the matter, and didn't drag him by his heels through Times Square.Coito ergo sum wrote:They should have taken him to a military morgue on an American aircraft carrier and kept him on ice. They should have flown folks from the Arab League over to the carrier to view the body. They should have released photos of the body, after all, Osama's attacks were attacks against all Americans, and others, and we ought to have the right to see him. Why there should be secrecy here makes no sense.
All the talk of "sensitivity" to Muslims is stupid. They announced that the SEALs brought bomb sniffing dogs with them - where's the sensitivity there? Muslims hate dogs as unclean animals, and we had them sniffing all over Muslim land and living and dead Muslims. And, we shot a bunch of Muslims there. Now we need to be"sensitive?" Come on...
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I believe he IS dead. How they killed him and what he looked like after, I REALLY don't give two shits on a stick. Let him rot on the bottom of the sea, actually he is polluting it.
I don't think it has anything to do with sensitivity to muslims. Even without the pic, it's already becoming a parade and a circus.
I think the "swift/in and out, dump him" was a good strategy.
I don't think it has anything to do with sensitivity to muslims. Even without the pic, it's already becoming a parade and a circus.
I think the "swift/in and out, dump him" was a good strategy.
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