Unarmed teen shooting: Is Florida law to blame?

[Clinton Huxley]

CES and his strawman again...I'm not advocating for restrictions on free speech but I think a policy of "fairness" on tv media is not a bad idea, given its impact.

Of course, given the manifest destiny of the US to be a shining example of all that is best, we would be better to emulate you...

[FBM]

Looks like in the US you can just watch far-right news and never be exposed to any contrary point of view. Explains a lot.

If you were at all correct, I could agree with you.

One could watch Fox "News" all day, could one not?

Sure, but Fox News does provide contrary points of view.

And I agree that this is a very valuable role, except when it gets to the point that it's deliberately contrary to reality for the sake of ratings, read: advertising cash.

[Clinton Huxley]

Fox News, all the views from A to B......

[FBM]

...and back to A again.

[Coito ergo sum]

Fox News, all the views from A to B......

The argument is thus, then:

Fox News is biased.

Therefore, all of the hundreds of American news sources ought to be controlled by the State to make sure that they broadcast what the States pecifies is balance.

Gotcha.

Look - even if Fox News is biased - that isn't the only thing on TV and it doesn't even represent the majority or even a substantial plurality of the views on t.v., much less in all the media. The media, overall, is if anything biased the other way.

[Clinton Huxley]

Fox News, all the views from A to B......

The argument is thus, then:

Fox News is biased.

Therefore, all of the hundreds of American news sources ought to be controlled by the State to make sure that they broadcast what the States pecifies is balance.

Gotcha.

Look - even if Fox News is biased - that isn't the only thing on TV and it doesn't even represent the majority or even a substantial plurality of the views on t.v., much less in all the media. The media, overall, is if anything biased the other way.

I watched something called MSNBC when I was last over, for contrast. It was slightly less right wing than Fox.

Plurality, you can't beat it.

[Coito ergo sum]

Fox News, all the views from A to B......

The argument is thus, then:

Fox News is biased.

Therefore, all of the hundreds of American news sources ought to be controlled by the State to make sure that they broadcast what the States pecifies is balance.

Gotcha.

Look - even if Fox News is biased - that isn't the only thing on TV and it doesn't even represent the majority or even a substantial plurality of the views on t.v., much less in all the media. The media, overall, is if anything biased the other way.

I watched something called MSNBC when I was last over, for contrast. It was slightly less right wing than Fox.

Plurality, you can't beat it.

MSNBC has an avowed and open Socialist - O'Donnell- he says that he is to the extreme left of "mere liberals." He follows Rachel Maddow and Ed Shultz on MSNBC, both of whom are unabashed champions of the Obama Administration, without apology they express open support for and bias towards liberal views, the Obama Administration and left-wing views. They don't even make a pretense at being "fair." Chris Matthews, the former Kieth Olbermann (who is now on a different NBC cable outfit), etc., all with similar bias.

Slightly less "right wing?" What utter and complete bollocks.

It is great that there is a channel, though, like MSNBC which publicly adopts a "progressive" agenda and bias, without apology. That way, if you want to know what the left side of the spectrum is saying and advocating, you flip to MSNBC on the dial, and there you have it. That agenda will be set forth in detail, and without any limitation. No holding back. We can get exactly what that side of the argument says on any and every issue, anytime we want. Why would it be better to muddle that up?

People know how to change channels over here. Maybe they don't in the UK, I don't know. I mean, you imply that once a person is on a channel, they're locked in and they're going to sit there only watching that channel all day long. That isn't the way Americans watch t.v., though. We tend to be able to switch stations. If one wants straight news, it's available. If one wants business news, financial markets news, etc. it's there. If one wants commentary from different perspectives, they are channel clicks away.

Of course, it would be much better if the State put a damper on all this talk. Too much talking among the plebes couldn't be a good thing.

[Clinton Huxley]

Oh, CES, you are too easy.....

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh, CES, you are too easy.....

Damn you, Huxley!

[Clinton Huxley]

It's still a fact that you are better off with Russia Today if you want the real news....

[Coito ergo sum]

It's still a fact that you are better off with Russia Today if you want the real news....

[Coito ergo sum]

More interesting facts.... http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/03/29/zi ... o-die-now/

Such a nice kid... http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/secon ... dentified/

Parents of murdered Brits upset that Obama weighed in on Trayvon Martin, but has no time for their dead sons.

Later speaking after Tyson was jailed Davies and Hallett lashed out at Mr Obama saying the deaths of their friends was "not worthy of ten minutes of his time."
Davies said:"We would like to publicly express our dissatisfaction at the lack of any public or private message of support or condolence from any American governing body or indeed, President Obama himself.
"Mr Kouzaris has written to President Obama on three separate occasions and is yet to even receive the courtesy of a reply.
"It would perhaps appear that Mr Obama sees no political value in facilitating such a request or that the lives of two British tourists are not worthy of ten minutes of his time."
The rebuke follows Mr Obama's personal intervention into the shooting in Florida of a young black teenager by a white neighbourhood watch captain.
The death of 17 year old Trayvon Martin has sparked nationwide protests with his supporters claiming he was victim of a racist attack.
Mr Obama entered the controversy last week by saying if he had a son he would have looked like Martin.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Obama.html

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[Tyrannical]

The lack of Jim Crow laws is what is really to blame.
Think about it, why do gated communities exist? It's a more PC and legal way of saying No Blacks Allowed.

If property rights were respected you'd be able to place signs that stated "No Blacks Allowed", and poor Trayvon would never have been killed. There is no scientific evidence equating the behavior of Blacks to Whites, so why should the laws? If you read the historical accounts of African explorers you'd know the score.

[Coito ergo sum]

CES and his strawman again...I'm not advocating for restrictions on free speech but I think a policy of "fairness" on tv media is not a bad idea, given its impact.

Ah, well, everyone thinks news organizations ought to be fair. However, I raised no strawman since what we were talking about was not mere private policies, but government regulation requiring things.

Of course, given the manifest destiny of the US to be a shining example of all that is best, we would be better to emulate you...

Let's not forget that this whole exchange began with yet another claim that what occurs over on your side of the pond is superior to what is going on over here. We just need to add "news media" among the long list of things the Brits do way better than we lowly - apparently, brainwashed - Americans.

[Coito ergo sum]

The lack of Jim Crow laws is what is really to blame.
Think about it, why do gated communities exist? It's a more PC and legal way of saying No Blacks Allowed.

I live in a gated community in Florida. My next door neighbor is black.

If property rights were respected you'd be able to place signs that stated "No Blacks Allowed", and poor Trayvon would never have been killed. There is no scientific evidence equating the behavior of Blacks to Whites, so why should the laws? If you read the historical accounts of African explorers you'd know the score.

You are able to place signs that state "no blacks allowed" on your own property, unless you belong to a gated community with association rules which have signage restrictions.