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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat May 08, 2021 7:25 am

Ted Cruz has decided that he really did want to overturn the election results on January 6, now that he thinks about it. Cheney being booted from her leadership position for denying the holy writ of 'stolen election.' Numerous votes of sanction by state Republican organizations against Republican members of Congress and officials who failed to try to overturn the election results. Or worse, asserted that the outcome was legitimate. There isn't much need for extrapolation: The Republican Party in the US appears to have dropped the pretext of paying lip service to the concept of democracy. Trumpist doctrine: The only legitimate result is Republican victory.

'Ted Cruz said his election objections weren’t about blocking Biden. Then someone asked about it.'
As protesters gathered outside the Capitol on Jan. 6 — motivated by Trump’s rhetoric and, perhaps in some cases, by Cruz’s and Hawley’s — Cruz stood on the Senate floor to make his case.

“Let me be clear,” Cruz said in his speech on that day: “I am not arguing for setting aside the result of this election.”

No, he was just arguing that it was “a profound threat to this country and to the legitimacy of any administrations that will come in the future” that so many people believed the election had been stolen, a claim elevated by Trump and coddled directly and through inaction by people like Cruz. He worried that not objecting to Biden’s win would send a message that “voter fraud doesn’t matter, isn’t real and shouldn’t be taken seriously.”

The reality, of course, is that there has been no demonstrated voter fraud sufficiently widespread to affect any major election and, in fact, fraud is extremely uncommon. Claims that it is real or a subject of concern for senators considering a presidential election should, in fact, not be taken seriously.

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On Thursday, Cruz joined Virginia gubernatorial hopeful Glenn Youngkin at a rally in Chesterfield, Va. At one point, Cruz joined members of the audience for photographs.

A woman wearing a camouflage hat approached Cruz and confronted him about the election results, as captured in video posted by activist Lauren Windsor. (Update: Windsor confirmed on Twitter that she was the woman in the video.)

“Wondering why you didn’t do more to fight for President Trump on Jan. 6,” she says to Cruz.

“Well,” he responds, “I led the objection but the Senate voted it down.”

“But you could have done more,” she continues. “I mean, we all know that Joe Biden didn’t win this election. I know in my heart of hearts that Joe Biden did not win this election.”

“I led the fight,” Cruz insists. “At the end of the day, you’ve got to have the votes on the floor of the Senate.”

Senator, this is not the claim you made on Jan. 6. On that day, you were very clear that you were not objecting to Biden’s election but, instead, hoping to spend more time addressing the concerns of voters. You were very clear that you were not simply trying to enact the will of Trump’s supporters by introducing a barrier to the counting of electoral votes. You said then that your desired outcome was solely to assuage the unfounded concerns of people like that woman in Virginia.

This was obviously dishonest at the time, but it was still what Cruz presented as his argument.

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When the woman approached him on Thursday, Cruz could have objected to her false claim that Biden didn’t win. He could have clarified for her that his goal on Jan. 6 was simply to spend more time evaluating the sanctity of the vote, even though there was no reason to do so. But instead Cruz tried to leverage his actions that day in exactly the way that he’d always intended: they were his way to tell Trump voters that he’d fought on their behalf.

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Post by JimC » Sat May 08, 2021 8:35 pm

They are, at least when they can tap into the prejudice of marginalised angry white male workers...
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Post by Tero » Sun May 09, 2021 12:02 am

DOJ blocks "recount" outfit from interrogating voters door to door:
Republican-led election auditors in Maricopa County, Arizona, have "indefinitely deferred" the door-to-door voter canvassing aspect of the audit, two days after the US Justice Department sent a letter to the president of Arizona's state senate expressing various legal concerns about the November 2020 election inspection. 
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun May 09, 2021 12:15 am

The fact that they are trying to do all these audits suggests that some of them actually believe the election was stolen. I thought they all just went along with it because Dear Leader said it.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun May 09, 2021 1:25 am

It's a tactic to promote mistrust, to give 'concerns' about the voting system air time, and to delegitimise future elections - if and when they lose them that is.
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Post by Cunt » Sun May 09, 2021 3:31 am

Sounds very much like the 'Russian Collusion' conspiracy that got pushed after the 2016 cycle.

Whatever happens, the Dems should block any recounts. It would be disastrous if some run-of-the-mill cheating was uncovered.

For heavens sake, twitter might have to re-instate Trump!
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun May 09, 2021 12:29 pm

Cunt wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 3:31 am
Sounds very much like the 'Russian Collusion' conspiracy that got pushed after the 2016 cycle.

Whatever happens, the Dems should block any recounts. It would be disastrous if some run-of-the-mill cheating was uncovered.

For heavens sake, twitter might have to re-instate Trump!
Twitter will not re-instate Trump - unless it's beneficial for them to do so of course. It's clear from their and Facebook's etc actions that Trump was no longer useful to their capital interests. They were fine with his rule breaking, his bullying and personal harassment, his lying and misrepresentation, his conspiracy theorising, on their platforms while he was 'driving engagement' (Trump is Worth $2 Billion to Twitter), and then after the 6th they calculated that it was now in their interests to take the hit and dump him. The platforms that banned Trump on 8 Jan have more than made back the losses they incurred by doing so - which kinds of vindicates that calculation I guess. When Capital acts against a democratically elected leader like that, the elected leader of the so-called 'free World', then you get an idea of where the real power actually lies.

So as I've said before, when you bemoan the big social media platforms for censuring Trump and people like him you have a point - they do have real and actual power to censor voices that appear stand against their interests.

Where your views stumble I think is in assuming that people like Crowder, the alt-Right etc, or even the Republican party in general, represent the interest of ordinary people against those Capital forces simply because that's what they say about themselves.

They don't. They are bought-and-paid for by the same interests who did a pump-and-dump on Trump, and their job is to convince the population that there's no alternative to the status quo 'business as usual' they promoted so thoroughly in the media when it came to Biden being the sensible, 'continuity' candidate.

Between centrist soft-conservatives like the Democratic Party and the firmly Right and alt-Right Republican Party, and with the mainstream, alternative, and social media under their influence, capital interests have near total control over the board that the game of US politics is played out on. One should not assume that the apparent dichotomies and conflicts between Dems and Repubs, FOX and CNN, etc, are not manufactured by capital interests playing fast and loose with democracy for their own benefit - not least because even a modicum of basic research will show you that the institutions owned and run by people like Bezos, Murdoch, Musk, the House of Saud, Putin, and even the Chinese state, are all exerting their influence in the game and throwing their money down from the centre across to the right hand side of the table. And their basic message, the basic message of capital interests, is that even as they own and manage political control across the majority of the World the Left is the real enemy, because the Left (the real Left, not the Dems) represent a compelling challenge to the fundamental principle of the status quo: that there's no legitimate or workable alternative to Capitalism or the corporate feudalism of the super-rich. They're right of course: the Left do represent exactly that kind of challenge to their power.

At this point all I'd ask is that you and others seemingly enamoured by the stories of the the Right and alt-Right question your knee-jerk opposition to the kind of ideas I've expressed above. Where do those intuitions to oppose the Left come from? Who's telling you those stories about the Left, and whose interests do they really represent - your interests or the interests of 'business as usual'?
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Post by Cunt » Sun May 09, 2021 4:48 pm

So it leaves one siding with the Trump/Voldemordt gang of 'banned personalities', or trusting those who are still in the good graces of the organs of the state.

Sounds like I would rather side against censorship again. I do understand that the complicity theorists will have to keep on trusting them though.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun May 09, 2021 5:10 pm

Cunt wrote:So it leaves one siding with the Trump/Voldemordt gang of 'banned personalities', or trusting those who are still in the good graces of the organs of the state.

Sounds like I would rather side against censorship again. I do understand that the complicity theorists will have to keep on trusting them though.
No. Maybe try reading what I posted before commenting on it.
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Post by Cunt » Sun May 09, 2021 5:16 pm

I oppose bullies. When the left becomes the establishment, with the full support of nearly all government agencies, corporations and people allowed to show support on social media, well, it starts looking skeezy as fuck.

The establishment has always struck me as not worthy of trust. It used to be that the left seemed to NOT be the establishment, but there is no denying it now, with their speech laws, their violent groups being treated so well by that establishment.

The only time the establishment has minded riots, attacks on federal buildings or threats to the democratic process, is when it arrived in Washington.

Maybe they should speak out on some of the more significant issues.

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Post by Seabass » Sun May 09, 2021 6:48 pm

Cunt wrote:
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When the left becomes the establishment
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This is your brain on Stephen Crowder and Tim Poole. Say no to alt-right youtube, kids! :fp:
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon May 10, 2021 12:06 am

Yeah. Ridiculous, isn't it?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon May 10, 2021 4:18 am

Cunt wrote:I oppose bullies. When the left becomes the establishment, with the full support of nearly all government agencies, corporations and people allowed to show support on social media, well, it starts looking skeezy as fuck.

The establishment has always struck me as not worthy of trust. It used to be that the left seemed to NOT be the establishment, but there is no denying it now, with their speech laws, their violent groups being treated so well by that establishment.

The only time the establishment has minded riots, attacks on federal buildings or threats to the democratic process, is when it arrived in Washington.

Maybe they should speak out on some of the more significant issues.

Or just keep buying the rainbow schwag from Nike.
You're not paying attention. Not to me, but to the world around you. The Left aren't in charge of anything - Capital is.

The Left represent a challenge to that established order and those capital forces have mopped up the soft-Right and the centrists (the people you've been convinced are radical far-left extremists) and deployed them against the Lefties and progressives - people whose ideas challenge the assumption that there's no alternative to a corporate feudalism that is basically killing the planet while placing everyone in increasingly precarious positions socially, economically, and politically.

The big corporations aren't on the side of Biden, he's on their side and they've simply coopted him and his brand as a bullwark against people like Sanders, whose messages were actually starting to appeal to the poor and disaffected. They've adopted Biden for exactly the same reason they adopted Trump in 2016.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon May 10, 2021 5:22 am

Cunt wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 5:16 pm
I oppose bullies.
Yeah, ain't it the truth. I recall you showed that by white-knighting for former officer Chauvin when he was being bullied by the media and prosecution attorneys for his actions.

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