All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Sean Hayden]

It's hard to believe you've visited with enough of them to have much confidence in your assessment. But maybe it is possible to quickly pick up who at least is the "influence" from area to area. I know I do that all the time.

[Tero]

At one point in the video, Trump is seen grabbing a woman toward him and patting her behind.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ta ... y-n1030686
Trump then said something else into Epstein’s ear that caused Epstein to double over with laughter.

But the president says now that he never liked Epstein

[Sean Hayden]

nope

[Tero]

It's hard to believe you've visited with enough of them to have much confidence in your assessment. But maybe it is possible to quickly pick up who at least is the "influence" from area to area. I know I do that all the time.

I would probably be wrong guessing who voted at all 2016. A lot of people did not vote.

[Sean Hayden]

Have you read the retired Texas judge's comments regarding why she's leaving the GOP? They make sense, and her timing does too. I can't imagine those voters who stayed home to avoid voting for Trump, and Clinton, will be as loyal to the party this time.

[pErvinalia]

Just look it up in a dictionary. It's not fucking hard.

The use of violence for political ends sure looks like terrorism to me - but that would also make the state a terrorist too.

Attacking a concentration camp isn't a political act. It's an overblown act of empathy for those being detained.

[Seabass]

Here we go. This is what conservative America is now. All these fucking braindead Republicans have left is fear, hate, anger, spite, ignorance, and superstition. Nothing Trump does shocks me at this point, but the fact that 40% of America is still with this vile creature... that's the troubling part.

Crowd Chants 'Send Her Back' After Trump Attacks Rep. Omar

[Tero]

Barr can't be forced much:
Wednesday's vote was a largely symbolic gesture; it's unlikely that the Department of Justice would move to prosecute the attorney general. The House had previously threatened to pursue a vote on civil contempt against Barr but backed off after the Justice Department made some concessions.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/17/74270505 ... ensus-prob

[Tero]

These GOP women see nothing wrong with Trump's comments
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... 60-vpx.cnn

[Cunt]

Just look it up in a dictionary. It's not fucking hard.

The use of violence for political ends sure looks like terrorism to me - but that would also make the state a terrorist too.

Attacking a concentration camp isn't a political act. It's an overblown act of empathy for those being detained.

Trying to set that facility on fire was not going to be a very good display of what you call 'empathy'. You aussies are weird.

[pErvinalia]

Regardless, it's not a terrorist attack. Calling it that is hyperbole.

[Brian Peacock]

Just look it up in a dictionary. It's not fucking hard.

The use of violence for political ends sure looks like terrorism to me - but that would also make the state a terrorist too.

Attacking a concentration camp isn't a political act. It's an overblown act of empathy for those being detained.

And this is where justifying violence becomes a bit of a merry-go-round, because burning down a Black church isn't a political act either - it's a defensive act to protect white people who's way of life is being threatened, etc etc. Of course that attack was a political act of violence, and as such its justification has to be a little more robust than than a hand-waving appeal to emotion, imo.

[pErvinalia]

It's simply not political. What political ideology is it espousing?

[Brian Peacock]

Where's this requirement for ideology suddenly appeared from? Isn't the issue of concentration camps political enough on its own? I'm not foreclosing on the use of political violence in certain circumstances, I'm saying that an appeal to emotion isn't sufficient justification for the use of violence on it's own, nor does 'empathy' make such an act non-political.

[Seabass]

ICE Is Dangerously Inaccurate
Even American citizens are not immune from immigration raids.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opin ... raids.html

Tracy Nuetzi, a Trump voter and resident of Florida, was an American citizen for 60 years, until the country decided she wasn’t.

“I thought, ‘This is a mistake, this must be a mistake,’” she said. Ms. Nuetzi spent nearly a year, from December 2017 to November 2018, trying to prove she was an American, and not liable to be arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

ICE is not, of course, just a run-of-the-mill government bureaucracy doing necessary work to keep our borders intact. Under President Trump, a wildly invigorated ICE has become an American nightmare, nothing less than the main thrust of an attempt to institutionalize racism against a scapegoated minority — undocumented, nonvoting, mostly voiceless brown people.

ICE is Trump’s main instrument for the dirty work of trying to make America whiter again, without regard for family values, due process, human rights or even plain human decency. The agency has been a problem for decades, but American citizens often ignore it, content in the belief that their citizenship will prevent them from ICE, deportation, detention without representation and all those horrific stories written about other people.

But ICE makes mistakes. American citizens can get caught in its maw — even white Americans. According to the Cato Institute, from 2006 to 2017 ICE wrongfully detained more than 3,500 U.S. citizens in Texas alone. Even in Rhode Island, ICE issued 462 detainers for people listed as U.S. citizens over a 10-year period, according to the A.C.L.U. From 2017 to 2019, A.C.L.U. data showed that law enforcement detained 420 citizens in Ms. Nuetzi’s state of Florida, at ICE’s request. Eighty-three of those requests have been canceled, and the people released. The rest remain in detention, waiting for ICE, according to the A.C.L.U. report. Even though ICE detainers should lapse after 48 hours, local law enforcement often continues to hold people until the agency gets around to checking them.

Ms. Nuetzi is a cheerful white woman who spent her childhood in Ocala, Fla., and has been an elementary school secretary in Gainesville for 20 years. In 2016, she voted for Donald Trump, and was ecstatic when he won. A year later, her driver’s license expired.

Ms. Nuetzi went to the motor vehicles agency to get a new one, and for the first time in her life, officials did not accept her birth certificate. She could have used a passport, but hers had long expired; the last time she traveled abroad, she was 12. With her birth certificate suddenly invalid, she couldn’t get a new passport, meaning she couldn’t get a driver’s license.

Never once was she asked for her Social Security number, which would have proved that she worked as a teenager starting in 1974. To get a passport, you need proof of citizenship and a photo ID: A Social Security number is not an accepted form of identification there. With an invalidated birth certificate and no passport, Ms. Nuetzi had no paperwork to prove she belonged in the United States.

Ms. Nuetzi was born in Montreal to two U.S. citizens who were in Canada for less than a year while working for an American company. Having two U.S. citizen parents automatically makes you a citizen under Section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, but with restrictions tightening under the Trump administration, 60 years later, that automatic citizenship wasn’t enough.

“I called to get a new passport, and they told me to go to immigration,” Ms. Nuetzi said. “But why would I go to immigration? I’m not an immigrant. Then I called Homeland Security and the woman on the other end of the line started laughing at me.”

It proved nearly impossible for Ms. Nuetzi to extract herself from the ICE machine. If a legal citizen with the money and means to prove she belongs here cannot right the mistake without months of anguish, we cannot trust the agencies in place to correctly discern who should be kicked out. Deporting people is deplorable in and of itself; deporting people without proof that they are here illegally is obscene.

“It felt like these people put a door in front of me and then told me it was closed,” Ms. Nuetzi said.

ICE cannot be allowed to function as it is, and it certainly should not be given more power. People will be ousted from the country with no recourse and no due process. And ICE is often wrong.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opin ... raids.html