The Coronavirus Thread

[Tero]

I would not have a problem taking a Russian vaccine that was licensed and made here.

The reason you want to leave vaccines and any injectables to professionals has to do with making a sterile product. NEW England pharmacy got fungus in their injectable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Engla ... s_outbreak

[laklak]

They'll inject you with a Ruskie nanobot and make you vote for Trump.

[Brian Peacock]

Товарищ Трамп на пост президента, да!

[L'Emmerdeur]

A look at how Korean attitudes toward mask wearing have changed, and thoughts on how the population of the US (and other countries) might learn the lessons that the Koreans had already taken on board.

'What a Korean Teenage Fashion Trend Reveals About the Culture of Mask-Wearing'

The good news for the United States is that attitudes about masks and other health measures can change over time. I saw this in South Korea. Even when Korea was faced with the threat of SARS in 2003, masks weren’t widely used, partially because the government was able to keep the virus at bay. During the ensuing years, Koreans wore masks as fashion statements or to protect from dust particles, but they weren’t solidified as part of Korean culture until the swine flu outbreak in 2009 and MERS in 2015. Consistent messaging from experts on the benefits of mask-wearing stuck. By 2015, Koreans automatically turned to masks during the MERS outbreak, leading to a 709 percent increase in sales.

This past February, before Koreans understood the severity of Covid-19, it was still common to see people roaming the streets without masks, says Kim Jae Hyung, a Korean sociologist at Seoul National University. But once the number of cases exploded to more than 800 a day in the span of a few weeks, people quickly relearned old habits to protect not only themselves but others from the virus.

The United States, however, has been able to dodge most epidemics in recent history. And those that the country couldn’t avoid, such as the H1N1 virus, turned out to be less deadly than experts expected. This record has contributed to a sense of American exceptionalism when it comes to health and safety, Woodman says: It’s much harder for Americans to grasp the widespread harm a pandemic can cause, making them less enthusiastic about group sacrifices that can curb the disease.

“It’s just this notion that it’s not going to happen here because we’re special as a culture,” he says. “We haven't had a health care scare since polio. And I think I think it’s really important to note is that it just isn’t a frame of reference for Americans.”

Now that the United States is several months into an outbreak that has killed more than 160,000 people and hurt the economy, perhaps that sense of exceptionalism will dissipate, and masks won’t feel so novel in the future. Orbann says it is important for trusted members of the medical community to promote the benefits of masks and lead by example. Eighty-four percent of Americans, after all, say they trust medical scientists to provide reliable Covid-19 information, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll released in June.

It took more than a decade of pop culture, air pollution and epidemics to integrate masks into Korean culture. For the United States, coronavirus might just the beginning of a more lasting shift.

[Seabass]

the US [...] might learn the lessons

Nice one, Lemmy.

[JimC]

One of the conspiracy nuts in Germany says within the next few days, the German military will be deployed and all of Germany will be under curfew with military in the street and no one allowed to do anything just like in Melbourne. They will establish a military dictatorship just like in Melbourne!!!



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Knowing that this is not the actual state in Melbourne, we won't go as far as they actually do in Melbourne within the next couple of weeks. The numbers aren't as bad yet and hopefully will not get much worse than they are currently.

To be clear about the Melbourne Stage 4 restrictions, and the use of the military:

* mandatory mask wearing when off your property, except while driving
* a curfew from 8PM to 5AM, with obvious and/or permit-based exceptions.
* no movement more than 5 km from home, again with obvious and/or permit-based exceptions.
* working at home is the standard, with exceptions where that cannot be done, with permits (Bron has one for her tutoring of the disabled twins)
* you can shop once a day, one hour only, one person only (Bron and I do one each per week, and it's easy to keep stocked)
* one hour of exercise per day, max of 2 people, within 5 km from home
* most retail closed, aside from food-based business. Take-away food is available.
* defence force personnel are on the streets with police, and visiting homes (with health department officials) of people who should be self-isolating
* various industries such as construction still operating, but with restrictions on numbers at work sites
* schools closed, all teaching on-line

[Brian Peacock]

Something like s $20,000 fine for breaking the lockdown too?

[JimC]

Something like s $20,000 fine for breaking the lockdown too?

That's if you contest it and lose. If you pay without argument, it's around $1,600...

Somewhat better figures for the last 24 hours - 278 new cases and 8 deaths...

[laklak]

I gotta admit, I'd have a problem with almost ALL those rules, and I would most definitely have a problem with a soldier telling me I had to abide by them. I don't know how I would react, honestly, it's a really fucking alien idea. You're telling me I can't leave my house for more than an hour a day? I can only go HOW far from my fucking house??? That would absolutely not work around here, there would be dead people.

[JimC]

I gotta admit, I'd have a problem with almost ALL those rules, and I would most definitely have a problem with a soldier telling me I had to abide by them. I don't know how I would react, honestly, it's a really fucking alien idea. You're telling me I can't leave my house for more than an hour a day? I can only go HOW far from my fucking house??? That would absolutely not work around here, there would be dead people.

Just look at the Florida (and US) case rate and deaths...

A few hundred cases, and a dozen or so deaths per day doesn't really compare...

[pErvinalia]

I gotta admit, I'd have a problem with almost ALL those rules, and I would most definitely have a problem with a soldier telling me I had to abide by them. I don't know how I would react, honestly, it's a really fucking alien idea. You're telling me I can't leave my house for more than an hour a day? I can only go HOW far from my fucking house??? That would absolutely not work around here, there would be dead people.

Totally different society. (Most) people here are happy to do it for the greater cause. It's really a miracle the US ascendency has lasted for so long. Your society appears totally dysfunctional to me.

[rainbow]

I gotta admit, I'd have a problem with almost ALL those rules, and I would most definitely have a problem with a soldier telling me I had to abide by them. I don't know how I would react, honestly, it's a really fucking alien idea. You're telling me I can't leave my house for more than an hour a day? I can only go HOW far from my fucking house??? That would absolutely not work around here, there would be dead people.

On the other hand, I was threatened by a Fascist in Colorado for wanting to open a bottle of wine at a picnic.

How repressive is that?

[JimC]

I gotta admit, I'd have a problem with almost ALL those rules, and I would most definitely have a problem with a soldier telling me I had to abide by them. I don't know how I would react, honestly, it's a really fucking alien idea. You're telling me I can't leave my house for more than an hour a day? I can only go HOW far from my fucking house??? That would absolutely not work around here, there would be dead people.

On the other hand, I was threatened by a Fascist in Colorado for wanting to open a bottle of wine at a picnic.

How repressive is that?

You should have filled that arsehole full of lead!

[rainbow]

I gotta admit, I'd have a problem with almost ALL those rules, and I would most definitely have a problem with a soldier telling me I had to abide by them. I don't know how I would react, honestly, it's a really fucking alien idea. You're telling me I can't leave my house for more than an hour a day? I can only go HOW far from my fucking house??? That would absolutely not work around here, there would be dead people.

On the other hand, I was threatened by a Fascist in Colorado for wanting to open a bottle of wine at a picnic.

How repressive is that?

You should have filled that arsehole full of lead!

...and you can't take a firearm on a plane. Have the US airlines not heard of the Second Amendment?

I think the NRA should take a stand by making an example of the next TSA goon that stops an open carry.

[Hermit]

I gotta admit, I'd have a problem with almost ALL those rules, and I would most definitely have a problem with a soldier telling me I had to abide by them. I don't know how I would react, honestly, it's a really fucking alien idea. You're telling me I can't leave my house for more than an hour a day? I can only go HOW far from my fucking house??? That would absolutely not work around here, there would be dead people.

Just imagine every individual being forced to obey mandates for the well-being of every individual in the community! That's downright unlibertarian! People do the right thing of their own free will because they are smar... Oh. Wait. That is not quite what I reckoned in the past 20 years. Most of us are stupid ground apes.