All Things Trump: the story continues...

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Rare country singer held out as Democrat till Trump inaugural. Got medal. Died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Keith

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Trump does not have presidential immunity in January 6 case, federal appeals court rules

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Trump does not have presidential immunity in January 6 case, federal appeals court rules

The court said it would put the ruling on hold until Feb. 12 for Trump to appeal to the Supreme Court but would not wait for the full D.C. Circuit to weigh in.

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Moses Mikey (Johnson) busts out the “L” word - characterizing the immunity ruling as “lawfare” - (their favorite new 10-cent term)

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68% of Republicans want a dictator.

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No, they just want Trump to get a pass. They don't care what that might mean. They want what they want.

And that's as much thought goes into it for them. "Hurr! Durr! Gimme!"

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Will the SC approve Trump's mafia boss commands as "not really engaged" talk? "Mike Pence is in there counting the electoral votes. It would be a shame if something happened to him!"

Trump did not “engage in insurrection”

Trump never told his supporters to enter the Capitol, and he did not “lead, direct, or encourage any of the unlawful acts that occurred at the Capitol,” his lawyers argue.
(The federal indictment against Trump accuses him of conspiring to illegally overturn the 2020 election. In Georgia, he’s been charged with election racketeering for trying to interfere with the state’s presidential election. In 2021, the Senate acquitted Trump on an impeachment charge of inciting an insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6.)

`There was no insurrection':Trump tells Supreme Court to keep him on the ballot

He has never been criminally charged with insurrection, “despite the relentless and ongoing investigations of President Trump,” they wrote.

Lawyers for the Colorado voters contend Section 3 is not a criminal penalty and doesn’t require a criminal conviction on insurrection charges.

They also argue Trump is wrong to say he can’t have “engaged in” insurrection unless he personally committed violent acts.

“Leaders rarely take up arms themselves,” they wrote in a filing. “It would make no sense to adopt a legal standard that gives a free pass to those—like Trump here—most responsible for an insurrection.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 368333007/

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I can't imagine the Supreme Court going to the goofiest Trump team argument. That Trump could run and win, and only after that courts would he able to label him an insurrectionist.

(That would give the VP the presidency or the House the vote),

The separating of "running" and "becoming" as two steps is not in the Constitution.

Alito spoke and I brlieve he is going to steer this in the direction where the Volorado court has somehow too much power. He also wants to question the "self-executing" part of the 14th amendment.

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In the amendment itself, congress has the ability to paas laws on how the amendment is to be applied to a real candidate.

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Ketanji Brown: A chaotic insuccection is not an insurrection?

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The way this is going: in a week or two the judges will uphold the immunity decision. They want Trump charged for insurrection. Then they refuse to rule on the 14th amendment and colorado until the Jack Smith case is resolved in court. Or more likely a hung jury. If the election takes place and Trump loses, Smith will not try him again on this case, only the minor crimes.

Trump will remain on Colorado ballot as this all comes together just before election.

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Now legal double talk on the words officer and office.
https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendm ... government.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

One of the judges, maybe Alito, pointed out you can be an officer with no office, for which you made some oath. President pro tempore was mentioned.

No idea where he was going with this. The presidency is clearly an office.

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Morning's hearing is over.
Trump in FL asked to respond:
1 political speech about Middle East
2 ramling statement amounting to "the 2020 election was stolen."
3 he has immunity

Left wing MSNBC legal analysts all agree Colorado failed today. The Amendment has strong language and they failed to use it.

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I think it's probably a good thing for Colorado to lose. There's too much ambiguity in the amendment.

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They seem to want evidence or some record. Or a "planned" insurrection.

The amendment allows federal legistlation. One can write quite easily a law then that applies only to the president. This would make sense, as the president is elected by the whole country as well as the vice president. All other treasonous politicians can be tried at the state level.

(Later, obviously not this year)