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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Collector1337 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:15 am

Animavore wrote: I am aware of the defence laws and have not argued against its legality, even stating it was legal. Its legality is not relevant to its cowardice. He was a have-a-go hero who bit off more than he could chew. He's a clown.
That may be true, but then what does that make Trayvon Martin for attacking Zimmerman and beating his head so hard on the sidewalk it made him fear for his life?

What if it was a woman? Seems pretty sexist to call Zimmerman a coward when, if he was a woman, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now and it would have never made the news because society would never expect a woman to take a beating like that. But when it's a man, of course he should be able to handle it, right?
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:22 am

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Animavore wrote: I am aware of the defence laws and have not argued against its legality, even stating it was legal. Its legality is not relevant to its cowardice. He was a have-a-go hero who bit off more than he could chew. He's a clown.
That may be true, but then what does that make Trayvon Martin for attacking Zimmerman and beating his head so hard on the sidewalk it made him fear for his life?
Sounds like a guy who responded to a threat to me. It seems he was right to feel threatened. Zimmerman Is the type of guy who has no problem killing a man. It's just a pity he didn't have a gun so he could shoot that dangerous cunt first.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Collector1337 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:33 am

Animavore wrote:
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Animavore wrote: I am aware of the defence laws and have not argued against its legality, even stating it was legal. Its legality is not relevant to its cowardice. He was a have-a-go hero who bit off more than he could chew. He's a clown.
That may be true, but then what does that make Trayvon Martin for attacking Zimmerman and beating his head so hard on the sidewalk it made him fear for his life?
Sounds like a guy who responded to a threat to me. It seems he was right to feel threatened. Zimmerman Is the type of guy who has no problem killing a man. It's just a pity he didn't have a gun so he could shoot that dangerous cunt first.
You don't have the right to attack someone you think is following you when they aren't doing anything unlawfully. Zimmerman had a right to walk on the sidewalk in his own neighborhood, to follow a suspicious character or not.

There is a 4 minute gap between their two encounters. Trayvon had plenty of time to run away, which he did, but then came back to attack Zimmerman instead of just staying gone.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Seth » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:36 am

Animavore wrote:I've been reading up on this.
Evidently you've been reading something inside your colon, because what you just said is absolutely and utterly wrong.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:38 am

Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote: I am aware of the defence laws and have not argued against its legality, even stating it was legal. Its legality is not relevant to its cowardice. He was a have-a-go hero who bit off more than he could chew. He's a clown.
That may be true, but then what does that make Trayvon Martin for attacking Zimmerman and beating his head so hard on the sidewalk it made him fear for his life?
Sounds like a guy who responded to a threat to me. It seems he was right to feel threatened. Zimmerman Is the type of guy who has no problem killing a man. It's just a pity he didn't have a gun so he could shoot that dangerous cunt first.
You don't have the right to attack someone you think is following you when they aren't doing anything unlawfully. Zimmerman had a right to walk on the sidewalk in his own neighborhood, to follow a suspicious character or not.

There is a 4 minute gap between their two encounters. Trayvon had plenty of time to run away, which he did, but then came back to attack Zimmerman instead of just staying gone.
He shouldn't have to of run away. He should never of been approached in the first place. Zimmerman should of kept to himself like a normal person instead of playing the big man. He's a clown.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Seth » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:45 am

Animavore wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote: I am aware of the defence laws and have not argued against its legality, even stating it was legal. Its legality is not relevant to its cowardice. He was a have-a-go hero who bit off more than he could chew. He's a clown.
That may be true, but then what does that make Trayvon Martin for attacking Zimmerman and beating his head so hard on the sidewalk it made him fear for his life?
Sounds like a guy who responded to a threat to me. It seems he was right to feel threatened. Zimmerman Is the type of guy who has no problem killing a man. It's just a pity he didn't have a gun so he could shoot that dangerous cunt first.
You don't have the right to attack someone you think is following you when they aren't doing anything unlawfully. Zimmerman had a right to walk on the sidewalk in his own neighborhood, to follow a suspicious character or not.

There is a 4 minute gap between their two encounters. Trayvon had plenty of time to run away, which he did, but then came back to attack Zimmerman instead of just staying gone.
He shouldn't have to of run away.
But he did. Then he snuck up on Zimmerman, jumped him from behind, sucker-punched him, knocked him down and got on top of him and started banging his skull into the sidewalk. THAT'S what authorized Zimmerman to kill him.
He should never of been approached in the first place.
Why not? He was a stranger in a gated community and it was Zimmerman's job to keep an eye on such people. If Martin had simply politely answered "I'm on my way to my dad's house at XXX YYY Street" and gone peacefully on his way, he'd be alive to day.

Zimmerman should of kept to himself like a normal person instead of playing the big man. He's a clown.
Zimmerman is not required to keep to himself. He's a free citizen of this country who can walk about his own private gated community as much as he likes, and he can talk to or ask questions of anyone he likes as well. I'd have done the same thing Zimmerman did in his situation, and have done exactly that hundreds of times over 50 years of chasing trespassers on my ranch. And I too carry a gun when I do that because I've had hunters point their shotguns at me and tell me to leave. That happened only once because from then on, during hunting season, I patrolled the property with an AR-15 at the ready and told anyone who was armed to drop their weapons or else.

And yes, I would have shot them if they refused and moved their muzzles one micro-inch in my direction, and been fully legally justified in doing so, just as Zimmerman was in his situation.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:48 am

You guys are far too easy to troll :hehe:
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Collector1337 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:53 am

Animavore wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Animavore wrote: I am aware of the defence laws and have not argued against its legality, even stating it was legal. Its legality is not relevant to its cowardice. He was a have-a-go hero who bit off more than he could chew. He's a clown.
That may be true, but then what does that make Trayvon Martin for attacking Zimmerman and beating his head so hard on the sidewalk it made him fear for his life?
Sounds like a guy who responded to a threat to me. It seems he was right to feel threatened. Zimmerman Is the type of guy who has no problem killing a man. It's just a pity he didn't have a gun so he could shoot that dangerous cunt first.
You don't have the right to attack someone you think is following you when they aren't doing anything unlawfully. Zimmerman had a right to walk on the sidewalk in his own neighborhood, to follow a suspicious character or not.

There is a 4 minute gap between their two encounters. Trayvon had plenty of time to run away, which he did, but then came back to attack Zimmerman instead of just staying gone.
He shouldn't have to of run away. He should never of been approached in the first place. Zimmerman should of kept to himself like a normal person instead of playing the big man. He's a clown.
Why? You can walk up to anyone you want and ask them anything you want at anytime you want in public.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Seth » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:58 am

Animavore wrote:You guys are far too easy to troll :hehe:
Indeed. I like to impart important information in response to such trolls for the benefit of the credulous lurkers who might be persuaded by them. This is too important an issue to allow such things to go unchallenged. Lives are at stake.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Animavore » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:02 am

Seth wrote:
Animavore wrote:You guys are far too easy to troll :hehe:
Indeed. I like to impart important information in response to such trolls for the benefit of the credulous lurkers who might be persuaded by them. This is too important an issue to allow such things to go unchallenged. Lives are at stake.
Fair 'nuff.

My actual opinion on this hasn't changed sincehere.

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Re: State v Zimmerman

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Subject: State v Zimmerman
Animavore wrote:You guys are far too easy to troll :hehe:
Does give them an opportunity to re-iterate the facts of the case many times.
This is very useful.
It let's people understand just how dangerously easy it is to get fooled by media-hype.

The testimony of the phone expert is particularly telling.
It shows that martin had a serious violent streak, that he was attempting to buy an illegal handgun.
That he was going to make someone 'bleed' for some offence (imagined or otherwise) given to Martin.
It shows that Martin had been suspended from school for violence.
That at least one school-friend cautioned him about his violence and warned him that he would be suspended again.

This testimony is difficult to find, you have to sift through several youtubes to find it
Here it is:-


The jury was not given this testimony, because of evidence 'rules'.
They still acquitted zimmerman.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by FBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:21 am

I don't know nuthin' 'bout nuthin' but I am leery of people acting like TM was an angel just because he's the one who happened to die.

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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Woodbutcher » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:03 pm

FBM wrote:I don't know nuthin' 'bout nuthin' but I am leery of people acting like TM was an angel just because he's the one who happened to die.

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Post by FBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:04 pm

Word.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Audley Strange » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:13 pm

The courts are like democracy, everyone likes it when it goes their way, but gets all upset when it doesn't then start making all sorts of stupid claims. Martin shouldn't have attacked Zimmerman but he did, Zimmerman had a gun and shot him. A jury found him not guilty. Seems pretty straightforward. It's not like Zim was as WASP with an AK-47 on his nightly nigger hunt.
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