We need to talk about Donald: the cursing & swearing thread

[Animavore]

Peed on and impaled... Should be called Blad' the Impaled.

[Forty Two]

This just in! Putin is gay!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl. ... 12245.html

This will lead to a lot of things. Many Trump supporters will never vote again.

So that's why they call him Vlad The Impaler..

All this is behind the times. Sexual orientation is a social construct. So, the fact that a sexual orientation involving opposite sex attraction is socially constructed as "straight" is just an arbitrary feature of our patriarchal, homophobic, transphobic, society. Just as having a penis doesn't make a person male, and having a vagina doesn't make a person female, it's true that being attracted primarily or exclusively to same sex partners does not make one gay. He might prefer same-sex canoodling, but that doesn't make him gay. Gay is just a social construct. Also, he's never come out and clarified either his preferred pronouns or his gender, so we don't even know if Putin is male. He may well be a female with dick who likes to take traditionally macho photos.

Until he's clarified his gender and his sexual orientation, we have to assume, basically, that he's in a state of gender-flux, assuming all genders and all orientations simultaneously, until he tells us what he's feeling. Once he discloses his feelings, then his genders and orientations collapse like a wave function into his current gender and orientation.

Now, remember, gender and orientation are not innate features of a person anymore. While people are "born this way" they are still able to change their genders and orientation, and even assume multiple (or no) genders and orientations simultaneously. So, Putin might say today that he's a mans-man, in the traditional, heteronormative (read "evil") way -- but, later this afternoon he might switch to being a woman trapped in a man's body. And, that woman may be heterosexual at dinner, but wake up for breakfast lesbian.

So, please, to label Putin "gay" -- even in jest - is homophobic, transphobic, and dismisses his autonomy and humanity as a person. Get thee to thine basket of deplorables, you hate-filled, misogynistic, bigots!

[Brian Peacock]

You wrotw so much to say so little.

[Animavore]

Indefensible...

https://www.revealnews.org/article/trum ... -programs/

...and yet...

[Forty Two]

You wrotw so much to say so little.

I'm right, though, aren't I? Or, is it safe to assume Putin's gender and orientation? And, his gender and orientation are fixed and not malleable? He's not subject to the "social construct?"

This is just Gender Studies 101.

[Forty Two]

Indefensible...

https://www.revealnews.org/article/trum ... -programs/

...and yet...

"...end five-year grants awarded by the Obama administration that were designed to find scientifically valid ways to help teenagers make healthy decisions that avoid unwanted pregnancies."

So, the quarter billion dollars was needed to "find ways to help teenagers make healthy decisions," and "avoid unwanted pregnancies." A quarter of a billion dollars.

And, reading the article, the objections relate to the fact that now, after receiving more than half of that money, which has been used to do social science studies and accumulate data, there isn't enough money to "analyze" the data.

In other words, there is a quarter billion dollars that was allocated to run social science studies designed to figure out how to get teenagers to "make healthy decisions" (not sure how that doesn't include ending unwanted pregnancies -- by listing the two things separately, it implies that some unwanted pregnancies would fall within the definition of a healthy decision...)

But, anyway - does anyone really think this would need a quarter billion to study?

The article goes on to suggest that it's designed to give teenagers access to birth control - but, birth control pills are covered by health insurance, and all teenagers are covered. Condoms cost very little at the pharmacy and are available at any school nurse's office confidentially, for free, and also from planned parenthood and many other organizations, for free, and confidentially. There is no problem with "access" to birth control. There is no need of a $213 million dollars in federal money to pay for studies on how to convince teenagers to make healthy decisions and to buy them birth control.

These are boondoggles.

[Hermit]

Now that's a bit personal.

Also totally wrong and cowardly. John Mortimer would never have swallowed Trump's shit. And he died in 2009, so he can't sue for defamation.

That's not John Mortimer, it's Leo McKern as Horace Rumpole. Leo died too, but the great Horace Rumpole, and his great victory in the Penge Bungalow murders (alone, and without a leader) lives on forever.

Ah yes. Thanks for the correction. John Mortimer, QC wrote the Rumpole series of books the TV show is based on. So, let me amend:

Also totally wrong and cowardly. Leo McKern would never have swallowed Trump's shit. And he died in 2002, so he can't sue for defamation.

[Brian Peacock]

You wrotw so much to say so little.

I'm right, though, aren't I? Or, is it safe to assume Putin's gender and orientation? And, his gender and orientation are fixed and not malleable? He's not subject to the "social construct?"

This is just Gender Studies 101.

Yes, you're right - about whatever you think you're saying about whatever you're saying you're right about.

I didn't have a point - just a one-liner that took the piss out of a homophobe.

[Forty Two]

Who's the homophobe, and why do you think that?

[Tero]

CNN:Trump refreshing to his racist fans:
More than two-thirds in the Post-ABC poll say that Trump's tweets are "inappropriate" (68%) or "insulting (65%). A majority (52%) say the tweets are "dangerous." Just 1 in 5 (21%) call the tweets "refreshing; that includes just 41% of self-identified Republicans who describe the tweets as "refreshing."
All of those numbers make a very simple point: For all of Trump's scapegoating of the mainstream media, he has only one person to blame for his current dismal poll standing: himself.
Trump is his own worst political enemy. He repeatedly ignores the advice of lawyers, advisers and even family members when it comes to how he needs to act, talk and tweet. He refuses to change or, short of that, even adjust.
In Trump's mind, that he won the 2016 election when almost everyone said he wouldn't is all the validation he needs -- or will ever need -- to do whatever he wants, no matter what people say about it. Polls? Polls were wrong about him winning so why wouldn't they be wrong again?

[Brian Peacock]

Who's the homophobe, and why do you think that?

Putin, amongst others, after the Duma approved laws banning "homosexual propaganda" to minors (saying gay relationships are OK), and imposing stiff fines for holding gay pride events, defending gay rights or campaigning for LGBT civil and legal equality, or promoting the equivalence of gay and hetro relationships. The Russian establishment is deeply homophobic.

[Animavore]

You know things are bad when even Fox can't defend you any more.




Gotta laugh at one of the comments from a cultist warning Fox to be careful or they'll end up in the gutter like CNN. These morons really believe everything their Messiah tells them.

[Forty Two]

He repeatedly ignores the advice of lawyers, advisers and even family members

...and was elected President of the United States as his first governmental position in his life, at a time when he had opposition from the establishment politicians in both the Democrat and Republican parties, and when he was consistently declared as polling extremely low, and having single digit possibilities of being elected, and was generally considered a joke candidate by the establishment politicians in both parties....

when it comes to how he needs to act, talk and tweet. He refuses to change or, short of that, even adjust.

That's not accurate. He changes if he needs to change.

In Trump's mind, that he won the 2016 election when almost everyone said he wouldn't is all the validation he needs -- or will ever need -- to do whatever he wants, no matter what people say about it. Polls? Polls were wrong about him winning so why wouldn't they be wrong again?

It's pretty solid validation, don't you think? I mean EVERY major poll said he wouldn't win, and couldn't win. MSNBC declared it impossible for him to win, because even on his best election night performance, he could not accumulate the needed electoral votes. Even Princeton Election Consortium and 538.com, and every meta-polling and statistical analysis site had him losing.

So, all due respect to CNN and the gang nowadays, but they really do need to improve their track record before someone would assume their validity.

The reason Trump's offensiveness is seen as refreshing is that so many people see politicians overall as untrustworthy. Sure, Trump says something that might be offensive or impolite -- but there are a lot of people who get sense from him that he's at least being genuine, or at least not being a politician. So many people are tired of politicians getting asked straight questions, and they just go off on some tangent, not answering the question posed. They talk in circles, ultimately saying nothing, or blathering on with platitudes and talking point. Trump's statements are, to some, straight, and concrete. He says "We're going to do X" and we're not going to apologize for it - don't worry about it. If the opposition says Trump is nuts and can't do it - Trump sticks a middle finger in their faces and says "oh, in that case, we'll do it more and bigger."

There is something to be said for that. People are tired of the John McCain crowd. The "in" crowd. Trump's a billionaire, sure, but nobody was inviting him to their polite society meetings. And, some part of the people like the guy who doesn't get invited to polite society. They want the outsider who has the sack to tell polite society to "fuck off, I'll build my own country club, and fuck you - you can come to me and ask to join my society, not the other way 'round."

That's what Trump represents to some folks out there. Not racism, but opposition to the dominant political establishment. That's why his trade message resonated. We've had a 30 years of people mouthing that they would help the working class and save American industry while standing on the shore and waving bye-bye to American industry. The working class in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia, etc. - they felt they'd been lied to by both parties for decades, and Trump came along and said "wait one fucking minute here! We're going to stop this, now. I'm going to take concrete steps to protect American business and industry and here's how I'm going to do it: renegotiate NAFTA and all other trade deals, and I'm going to allow American industry to work free of costly regulations, and I'm going to allow our heavy industries to thrive by removing obstacles, and I'm going to reduce illegal immigration.

Trump's opposition won't understand Trump until they get off of the whole "basket of deplorables..." meme as an attempt to explain his success. That's an attractive meme for the left, who love to think in terms of social injustice as explaining everything. But, that is not what motivated the Trump voters. The Trump voters, by and large, were motivated by economics - the notion that the country was headed in the wrong economic direction and something needed to be done about it.

[Tero]

It's not a validation. The election shows that
1 career politicians are disliked
2 the Democrats were not properly addressing the needs of the working class

The working class on the other hand has to come to realize that without some education you cannot raise a family and live the life of 1960s Detroit auto workers.

And yet, fully 3 million more liked the hated Hillary more than the "populist." By now the election numbers no longer reflect Trump support.

[Forty Two]

It's not a validation. The election shows that
1 career politicians are disliked

Exactly what I said.

2 the Democrats were not properly addressing the needs of the working class

And, neither were the Republicans. Trump represented a break from both. That's why the GOP hated him until he won the nomination, then some accepted him and others still hate him.

The working class on the other hand has to come to realize that without some education you cannot raise a family and live the life of 1960s Detroit auto workers.

This is because of the loss of US business and industry in the US. We need more manufacturing and related businesses. We need more heavy industry. This is a long term national defense issue. We cannot outsource the manufacturing of our armed forces' equipment and arms. We need heavy industry domestically produce primary materials, manufacture parts and tools, and assemble machinery and other devices.

When I was growing up, the parts for munitions used in Vietnam were manufactured in many, many, many small and mid-size manufacturing companies. They would contract with the government to supply fuses, switches, igniters, casings, etc., etc. etc. This stuff cannot -- should not -- be outsourced to foreign countries, for obvious reasons. These companies worked in both government contract work, and other areas of domestic production.

Now, there are big problems. Auto suppliers are no longer American. Auto companies buying parts and contracting for the production of parts in the production of automobiles are dealing almost exclusively with Chinese owned and other foreign entities. This is not sustainable in the long term. It'll take only about a generation to lose the ability to come back from such losses. The expertise goes away. The knowledge goes away. And, we cannot exist as a nation of accountants, lawyers, sales people, burger flippers, and entertainers.

The life of Detroit auto workers in the heyday of Detroit was at the top of the world. Detroit was known as the Paris of the West.