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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:59 pm

Seraph wrote:
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Chinaski wrote:Sorry, but isn't Adiyaman mostly a Christian province? Or am I confusing it with a different one?
Regradless I think the implication is that it was a muslim honour killing
Or is it possible that honour killings have permeated the Christian mentality in a similar cultural context.
Something like the 'crimes of passion' that still were prevalent, and legally distinct from other forms of murder, in Sicily during the last century, where husbands would blow their wives' brains out with a shotgun for (allegedly) having an affair, and went unpunished? In France asimilar category, crime passionnel, where that particular type of murder was punished with two years' of gaol or less, was not struck off the books until the 1970s.

Having said that, "honour killings" seem to be a lot more prevalent among Muslims and Hindus than in any other cultures.
Like female circumcision, incidence of honour killings seems to be as much geographical as religious from what I understand. Whichever religious sect kicked it off, the others saw its obvious benefits and quickly spliced it into their own woo - such is the way of things. :roll:
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Re: Scum

Post by charlou » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:24 am

Chinaski wrote:
Elessarina wrote:
Chinaski wrote:Sorry, but isn't Adiyaman mostly a Christian province? Or am I confusing it with a different one?
Regradless I think the implication is that it was a muslim honour killing
Or is it possible that honour killings have permeated the Christian mentality in a similar cultural context.
Like the child tragedy in Nigeria where 'Christianity' has been used to exploit local superstitions with horrific and abhorrent consequences.

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Post by Chinaski » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:02 pm

Seraph wrote:
Chinaski wrote:
Elessarina wrote:
Chinaski wrote:Sorry, but isn't Adiyaman mostly a Christian province? Or am I confusing it with a different one?
Regradless I think the implication is that it was a muslim honour killing
Or is it possible that honour killings have permeated the Christian mentality in a similar cultural context.
Something like the 'crimes of passion' that still were prevalent, and legally distinct from other forms of murder, in Sicily during the last century, where husbands would blow their wives' brains out with a shotgun for (allegedly) having an affair, and went unpunished? In France asimilar category, crime passionnel, where that particular type of murder was punished with two years' of gaol or less, was not struck off the books until the 1970s.

Having said that, "honour killings" seem to be a lot more prevalent among Muslims and Hindus than in any other cultures.
Finding out that Verga's Cavalleria Rusticana was an adequate description of what went on was enlightening as well as shocking. But honestly, judging by the Sicilians I've met I shouldn't have been that surprised.
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Re: Scum

Post by Feraline » Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:10 am

It's also about using religious doctrine to imply ownership of one person by another. The girl is valuable solely as an asset and possession of her father, and thus it is considered reasonable to punish her for behaving in a way that diminishes that value.

Shortly after reading this article, I was in a conversation with someone talking about how charming they found the tradition of asking for a girl's hand from her father in marriage. I went off the freakin' deep end. I find that tradition stupid in general, and absolutely obscene when considering it as a vestigial remnant of the concept of young women as property that's illustrated so disgustingly in this story from Turkey.

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Re: Scum

Post by charlou » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:06 am

Feraline wrote:It's also about using religious doctrine to imply ownership of one person by another. The girl is valuable solely as an asset and possession of her father, and thus it is considered reasonable to punish her for behaving in a way that diminishes that value.

Shortly after reading this article, I was in a conversation with someone talking about how charming they found the tradition of asking for a girl's hand from her father in marriage. I went off the freakin' deep end. I find that tradition stupid in general, and absolutely obscene when considering it as a vestigial remnant of the concept of young women as property that's illustrated so disgustingly in this story from Turkey.
Yep, there are still enough traces of ovine* patriarchy woven into the fabric of our society to make my stomach turn.


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