Should Communism Be Declared A Criminal Ideology?

[Forty Two]

Profit isn't the only motivation now. With communism, though, profit couldn't be a motivation at all.

Profit is a requirement of a free market system, because it is built into the offering of goods and services to others. In an arm's length transaction in a free market, both the buyer and the seller "profit." Profit is anathema to a communist system.

[Svartalf]

AA, stacked with pro treatment? demanding to see your tokens too? Cunt my Man, the USA are plain god crazy.

[Svartalf]

I remembers the late XIXth c/ early 20th, when socially minded corporation owners would actually build sanitary housing for their employees... and not just to later force them to buy their everyday goods from the company store, with company scrip... then again, at the time, even big companies were mostly familial endeavours, not soulless stock exchange ratings lickers. WWI destroyed a lot more than Eastern French real estate.

[Sean Hayden]

Profit isn't the only motivation now. With communism, though, profit couldn't be a motivation at all.

Profit is a requirement of a free market system, because it is built into the offering of goods and services to others. In an arm's length transaction in a free market, both the buyer and the seller "profit." Profit is anathema to a communist system.

Get together with Cunt and work out whether it's all profit or not.

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I heard some socialist on the radio saying that if it weren't all profit we could employ a hell of a lot more people right now. Was he blowing smoke?

[Rum]

Our Labour party is currently just finishing off its annual conference. It is the furthest left any party has been here in 50 years arguably. Their policies would be considered 'Communist' I suspect by many in America. They include making a third of all company board members workers for the company, creating 200,000 green jobs, returning a number of utilities (water as a starter) to State ownership, raising wages all round for the poorest and raising taxes for the better off and rich (about which they are pretty quiet).

They should be streets ahead in the polls given the clusterfuck the current government are dealing with around Brexit, which they are not. I suspect that the British are not naturally socialist - which is sad really as they have some really good ideas.

[Svartalf]

what's a 'green' job?
I mean, in the USA, that would be a job that gets you a lot of green, but I don't see what's an ecological job... even sun panels and wind turbines are not that green to produce.

and I hear they want a new brexit referendum or something, which would in no way help since article 50 has already been invoked, and you won't be back in for at least 2 decades, time for the ruffled feathers to smoothe over.

[Seabass]

True hegemony has arrived when even the discussion of alternative ways of organing things becomes taboo.

Most of that comes from the progressive left these days - the shutting down of different ideas.

"lock her up"
"enemy of the people"
"open up the libel laws"

Dios mio, you've got everything back assward, as usual.

[Cunt]

I remembers the late XIXth c/ early 20th, when socially minded corporation owners would actually build sanitary housing for their employees... and not just to later force them to buy their everyday goods from the company store, with company scrip... then again, at the time, even big companies were mostly familial endeavours, not soulless stock exchange ratings lickers. WWI destroyed a lot more than Eastern French real estate.

I've seen some of those 'sanitary housing' communities. One is Giant Mine. The houses are still there, but they have to chase homeless people out of there, because it isn't fit to live in them. (it is healthier for those homeless to live out in the street)

everything back assward

Hate speech laws. They are supported most from the left.

One would think that being here, you would recognize the value of freedom of speech, and the danger presented by hate speech laws...but they are lefty, so you are probably not even noticing, instead focusing on any example you can find that the left are not horrible at making this choice.

[Hermit]

I heard some socialist on the radio saying that if it weren't all profit we could employ a hell of a lot more people right now. Was he blowing smoke?

It's not that simple. If owners of corporations were not allowed to pocket the difference between the value of the goods and services that workers create and the sale price of them, we'd be in the same situation as the Soviet Union before their state capitalist system collapsed. Production was massively inefficient and riven with corruption. The lack of competition brought innovation to an almost complete halt. I am afraid Coito Two (and Karl Marx for that matter) is right: To date no system has been more beneficial to humankind than capitalism.

Now we can start bickering about what kind of capitalism is best. I know Coito will go for Milton Friedman's laissez faire model. I pick a social democratic model - capitalism infused with what knuckledraggers might call "filthy socialism".

[Svartalf]

I remembers the late XIXth c/ early 20th, when socially minded corporation owners would actually build sanitary housing for their employees... and not just to later force them to buy their everyday goods from the company store, with company scrip... then again, at the time, even big companies were mostly familial endeavours, not soulless stock exchange ratings lickers. WWI destroyed a lot more than Eastern French real estate.

I've seen some of those 'sanitary housing' communities. One is Giant Mine. The houses are still there, but they have to chase homeless people out of there, because it isn't fit to live in them. (it is healthier for those homeless to live out in the street)

Have you seen French mine towns? the houses were not bad, for subsidized housing, of course, living on top of a coal or iron mine is not very healthful.

[DRSB]

In some respects communism was more liberal than what we are seeing in some of the spin-offs.

[Cunt]

Mining companies in Canada were not famous for doing a good job at things that weren't mining.

[pErvinalia]

Stalin built on the base Lenin laid... the GPU was Lenin's creation, until Stalin integrated it into the NKVD.

Yep, Lenin was a quasi authoritarian.

[pErvinalia]

True hegemony has arrived when even the discussion of alternative ways of organing things becomes taboo.

Most of that comes from the progressive left these days - the shutting down of different ideas. Nobody except perhaps the extreme right wing would suggest making any ideology illegal.

And there it is. "progressive left" and "extreme right wing". Why not "extreme left wing", or "conservative right"?? This is why we all have the sneaky suspicion that you like to tar a larger section of the left with the antics of the extreme few.

I agree with NB. Capitalism is currently in the process of making the planet unfit for its inhabitants. It may be too late to do much about it, but banning an alternative ideology isn't one of them.

Capitalism has done more good for more people over the past 200 or so years, and especially worldwide over the last 30 years, than any other economic system. Capitalism has done more to eliminate poverty than communism or socialism ever could, or ever offered to do.

That doesn't mean that capitalism has been any good for the planet. It's fucked the planet.

[pErvinalia]

Our Labour party is currently just finishing off its annual conference. It is the furthest left any party has been here in 50 years arguably. Their policies would be considered 'Communist' I suspect by many in America. They include making a third of all company board members workers for the company, creating 200,000 green jobs, returning a number of utilities (water as a starter) to State ownership, raising wages all round for the poorest and raising taxes for the better off and rich (about which they are pretty quiet).