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[pErvinalia]

...you can't see what's wrong with that photo. You conservatives have so little social awareness.

I can, but then I am not particularly conservative. The fact that a man reveals his sexual desire via body language is a moral outrage!

Women never do anything of the sort.

You obviously didn't read my post where i pointed out what was wrong in that photo.

[Hermit]

...you can't see what's wrong with that photo. You conservatives have so little social awareness.

I can, but then I am not particularly conservative. The fact that a man reveals his sexual desire via body language is a moral outrage!

Women never do anything of the sort.

You obviously didn't read my post where i pointed out what was wrong in that photo.

i read all your posts in this thread to date. Is it the one where you wrote

The look in her face and she is pulling away from him. She is repulsed by him.

?

If not, let me know which one you referred to.

[pErvinalia]

"The fact that the man reveals his sexual desire via body language is a moral outrage!", is a non-sequitur. Given you apparently know what i posted, then you shouldn't need me to explain why it is a non-sequitur.

[Hermit]

"The fact that the man reveals his sexual desire via body language is a moral outrage!", is a non-sequitur.

Sarcasm, actually.

So we see a photo that depicts a man who reveals his sexual desire via body language and a woman who is repulsed by him. What is morally or otherwise wrong with either?

Of course you can make the observations that Trump is a thoroughly reprehensible person and the very concept of the "Miss Universe" concept is demeaning - both of which I unhesitatingly agree with - but those observations go way beyond the photograph per se.

[pErvinalia]

So we see a photo that depicts a man who reveals his sexual desire via body language and a woman who is repulsed by him. What is morally or otherwise wrong with either?

Who's talking about morality? I just pointed out that a beautiful woman being repulsed by Trump pretty much "sums it [the whole Trump debacle] up". And then Dodo, a conservative, couldn't see the woman's revulsion. So I made the point that it's not surprising given that conservatives have an empathy deficit (and before you pick your nits, I know I didn't say that exactly, but it's what i meant).

[Hermit]

So we see a photo that depicts a man who reveals his sexual desire via body language and a woman who is repulsed by him. What is morally or otherwise wrong with either?

Who's talking about morality? I just pointed out that a beautiful woman being repulsed by Trump pretty much "sums it [the whole Trump debacle] up". And then Dodo, a conservative, couldn't see the woman's revulsion. So I made the point that it's not surprising given that conservatives have an empathy deficit (and before you pick your nits, I know I didn't say that exactly, but it's what i meant).

Oh. OK. When you wrote "you can't see what's wrong with that photo" you meant Dodo can't see how Miss Universe's body language indicates repulsion towards the unwanted attention of her old and ugly boss. Got you now.

[pErvinalia]

[Forty Two]

"The fact that the man reveals his sexual desire via body language is a moral outrage!", is a non-sequitur.

Sarcasm, actually.

So we see a photo that depicts a man who reveals his sexual desire via body language and a woman who is repulsed by him. What is morally or otherwise wrong with either?

Does Trump actually depict "sexual desire" there? To me, it looks like Trump is sitting next to her at some kind of an event, and he's smiling at her and leaning over a bit, but we really don't know why. And, she is smiling back at him, and there is no evident "revulsion." I mean, she's not even really leaning away from him. She's turned her shoulders to face him about a 1/4 turn, and has her hands loosely resting on each other in her lap. She has a very prim and proper pose, like beauty contestant.

I will say she doesn't show any evident signs of being into him, or looking to be closer to him. But, so what? In must human interactions people aren't constantly expressing their sexual desires or lack thereof, and in many instances, like in the context of a show (the contest is a show to make money), a public appearance is work, not play.

So, while pErvin will declare me empathy deficient, I think it's more likely that pErvin is just imagining things, based on his preconceived notions about Trump. Trump, to him, is a lech and therefore must be leering and creepily getting in this contestant's space, and he reads revulsion on a rather neutral figure because that's what he wants to see.

Of course you can make the observations that Trump is a thoroughly reprehensible person and the very concept of the "Miss Universe" concept is demeaning - both of which I unhesitatingly agree with - but those observations go way beyond the photograph per se.

Agreed. Well, I have no opinion on the Miss Universe contest. I think It's been 30 years since I've seen more than a 30 second clip of a Miss Universe contest. "Demeaning" is a rather strong word for what I remember. I don't view it as any more demeaning than the Mr. Universe contest. There doesn't seem to be anything really "demeaning" about a contest concerning physique, or poise, or intelligence, or wit or talent, and the Miss Universe contest has a combination of all those things.

I also agree that Trump is very likely someone I would find reprehensible in person. I have known people that i think are his style of manager, and they are brutal, rude, obnoxious, mean, unforgiving, and manipulative. So, to all those who call me a Trump fan, there -- let's see ya'll say something negative about a politician you support. The thing about these kinds of people is that they tend to be able to get things done. Sometimes you need that kind of person in a managerial role.

[Hermit]

Does Trump actually depict "sexual desire" there?

Don't know. Don't care. I was just accepting that he did in order to get to the bottom of another issue.

she is smiling back at him, and there is no evident "revulsion."

Ut supra.

That said, I do think it very likely that Trump found Miss Universe sexually desirable and that Miss universe would find the prospect of having sex with him repugnant. I also think that their respective postures are unlikely to indicate neutrality or the opposite.

I don't view it as any more demeaning than the Mr. Universe contest.

In the absence of the wider context (yes, I am alluding to social context) I don't either.

Sometimes you need that kind of person in a managerial role.

I have not looked into the matter for a long time, so I can't oblige you with links, but managers who are brutal, rude, obnoxious, mean, unforgiving, and manipulative in relation to their underlings are never needed because compared to non-psychos their style causes serious, sometimes disastrous, underperformance of the team they are in charge of.


Reading your post caused me to imagine you were auditioning for a debating team where you are given random statements and tasked with improvising arguments against them on the spot. Also, you are predictable as in "Give the dog a bone and he will chew it."

[laklak]

If she's repulsed by him I'll take that kind of repulsion all day long. Get 'em smiling and you're halfway to the bedroom, that's my motto.

I'd shag her stupid, but y'all knew that.

[pErvinalia]

"The fact that the man reveals his sexual desire via body language is a moral outrage!", is a non-sequitur.

Sarcasm, actually.

So we see a photo that depicts a man who reveals his sexual desire via body language and a woman who is repulsed by him. What is morally or otherwise wrong with either?

Does Trump actually depict "sexual desire" there? To me, it looks like Trump is sitting next to her at some kind of an event, and he's smiling at her and leaning over a bit, but we really don't know why. And, she is smiling back at him, and there is no evident "revulsion." I mean, she's not even really leaning away from him.

I just can't even....

[Forty Two]

Yes, I know. If someone has a different interpretation of something than you do, you're unable to fathom the possibility.

What do you see here?


What do you see here?


What do you see here?


Don't foreclose the possibility that what you see is colored by your preconceived view of the person you're critiquing.

[pErvinalia]

What I see there is more Democrat red herring fallacies that you seem unable to control yourself from posting.

[Forty Two]

I can spell it out for you. The pictures above have nothing to do with who is a Democrat or not. They are examples of other images - the two of Biden could easily be interpreted to show two women who are really uncomfortable over what Joe Biden is doing. He can be seen as leering old man getting all over two women who seem very keen on it not happening to them, the seem repulsed by him. The top picture appears to show Barack Obama leering at a woman's ass.

The point of posting the photos is to show that the angle of a picture, plus the fact that it takes a 3D world and reduces it to 2D, may make a picture appear to depict something it doesn't exactly depict. We don't have the advantage of seeing the time before and after the instant the photo is snapped to understand the context and the relationship of the people being photographed.

Much of what we see and how we interpret a photo is colored by our expectations. So, whether we see Obama as a lecherous chauvinist objectifying a woman, or as a guy who happened to be turning his head, may well be colored by our preconceived notions about his character. Whether we see Biden as a dirty old man getting overly familiar with women may well depend on what we think of him in advance.

So, bearing that in mind, if you look at the Trump photo, whether you see a woman revolted by Trump, or a woman simply turning her shoulders a bit to face him, sitting properly/formally and smiling at him cordially, depends on what your expectations are. I haven't foreclosed the possibility that she is revolted by him. I merely pointed out that if you look closely at the picture, her posture doesn't exactly show that to be the case in any objective sense.

[Hermit]

I can spell it out for you. The pictures above have nothing to do with who is a Democrat or not. They are examples of other images - the two of Biden could easily be interpreted to show two women who are really uncomfortable over what Joe Biden is doing. He can be seen as leering old man getting all over two women who seem very keen on it not happening to them, the seem repulsed by him. The top picture appears to show Barack Obama leering at a woman's ass.

The point of posting the photos is to show that the angle of a picture, plus the fact that it takes a 3D world and reduces it to 2D, may make a picture appear to depict something it doesn't exactly depict. We don't have the advantage of seeing the time before and after the instant the photo is snapped to understand the context and the relationship of the people being photographed.

Much of what we see and how we interpret a photo is colored by our expectations. So, whether we see Obama as a lecherous chauvinist objectifying a woman, or as a guy who happened to be turning his head, may well be colored by our preconceived notions about his character. Whether we see Biden as a dirty old man getting overly familiar with women may well depend on what we think of him in advance.

So, bearing that in mind, if you look at the Trump photo, whether you see a woman revolted by Trump, or a woman simply turning her shoulders a bit to face him, sitting properly/formally and smiling at him cordially, depends on what your expectations are. I haven't foreclosed the possibility that she is revolted by him. I merely pointed out that if you look closely at the picture, her posture doesn't exactly show that to be the case in any objective sense.

I agree with all but one of your comments. The leering Trump and repelled Miss Universe is objectively true. The 2D limitations do not apply in this instance and further context by way of bracketing the photo with further visual evidence unnecessary. I checked by looking at it through my special Trump supporter goggles.