Does it matter to you if Trump fails?

[Scot Dutchy]

Just like the Brexiteers really. So embarrassed (well the thinking ones) that they just cant believe the way he is acting just as the Brexiteers can fathom out what in the hell is May doing.

[Svartalf]

May is doing what she was hired to do.
Sad as it is, she is... now, lets see if parliament will have the balls to block that insanity in the face of the voters who wanted it.

[Hermit]

Back to Rosneft:

...Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.

Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial ... .1v6x1ewz2

[rainbow]

Of course this creates a conundrum.
If Trump fails, the world will be a better place, in which Trump will have succeeded.
...by failing to succeed at making the world worse.

[Brian Peacock]

I'll be covering that issue in my next book: Fail Your Way To Success.

[pErvinalia]

Bankruptcy: When failing is succeeding!

[JimC]

American christians: rupture ready...

[pErvinalia]

Who's There? Mike Pence!

[Forty Two]

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Forty-Two [directly before incineration]: "No, but just think how much worse it would've been under Hillary!"

Hillary was very much in favor of development of battlefield nukes, and their use in combat. There isn't a war she hasn't supported, and she was rattling sabers toward Russia.

[Forty Two]

If you think that indulging an oligarchy is a boon to world peace and political stability then you should reread your Paine and Jefferson.

Do you believe that Hillary Clinton's government would be less oligarchical?

Yes folks, Clinton or Obama is only ever one gish gallop away. Your current shtick can be reduced to, "At least he's not a Democrat."

Not really. I'm suggesting "at least he's more of a democrat than any of the other Republican offerings, and arguably of a democrat than Hillary Clinton." Clinton is politically a Goldwater conservative.

This is what I don't follow. Clinton was the quintessential insider and hawk. She was the darling of Wall Street, the darling of the media, the darling of Hollywood. She is a Goldwater conservative from way back, and has not seen an American military intervention that she has not supported. She is a free trader supporter of big business.

How does Trump give us an oligarchy to indulge which we would not otherwise have?

Putin.

I rest my case.

[Forty Two]

You have plenty to lose.

Not as much as we would if the war hawk, Hillary, had been elected.

Maybe, maybe not. But you do in fact have a lot to lose by letting a narcissistic man-child govern by tantrum.

Indeed, but it remains to be seen what he will ultimately do. I, for one, am not Chicken Little.

[Forty Two]

Nobody who rails against military action on Obama's watch seems to have railed against military action on Bush's.

Plenty, actually. The Republican Liberty Caucus folks railed.

The reality is closer to -- no Democrats who railed against military action under Bush, railed against it under Obama. You can bet they'll rail now. It's just like how Democrats swooned over the "fact" that Obama deported more illegals than any other President. Now, deporting people is a mortal sin.

The constant alt-fact that Hillary would have scorched the land and boiled the oceans if she'd been elected counts for very little -

Understanding her politics counts for a lot.

it's a supposition, a guess, a boogeyman story to frighten the kids into never voting for a woman, or a democrat, and a cautionary tale to bolster the belief that Trump, simply by being elected, has miraculously saved us all from a nuclear winter heralding a new dark age.

No, it's an analysis of her political positions and statements. Democrats have no business whinging about boogeymen. It's all fear-mongering with Democrats. Look at the wailing and gnashing of teeth with Trump. People running around pretending to be scared out of their wits, crying, and rushing for safe spaces with safety pins. They declare that Nazis are everywhere now, and we have descended into the darkness of fascism, with "Bannon the antisemite" at the Helm (he's being portrayed now as the Karl Rove of the new administration... the shadowy "true force" behind the puppet....

The longer we go without Armageddon the more traction this fiction will accrue - "See, I told you he would stop the End Times a-coming, unlike that rabid woman who was actually just itching to destroy us all." It's all part of people's penchant for overly simplistic good vs evil, heroic messiah narratives that so many have been culturally acclimatised into accepting as reality.

How about -- it's that some of us are not panicking and running in circles a week after the inauguration, and some of us understand that things will likely be o.k., and that Trump is likely not quite the Nazi, racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, blowhard, buffoon, incompetent, business failure, who is both too stupid to know what he's doing and harboring an evil motive to enrich himself at the expense of the country, that the primal screaming, safety pin wearing, blue haired, triggered folks make him out to be....

[Brian Peacock]

I'm not panicking. I'm disagreeing. Any news on why refugee children fleeing a war zone need to be excluded to protect Americans yet mate?

[Svartalf]

Hey, we got plenty refugee children here that have family in the UK and that the brit gummint won't let in

[Brian Peacock]

I know. It's a fucking scandal. The brown shirts of the 30s also said that offering sanctuary to Jewish children fleeing the nazis would undermine our culture and security. They were as wrong as Trump.