Is democracy too important to leave to the peeps?

[DaveDodo007]

One should not be able to vote unless one can solve quadratic equations and name at least a dozen quality brands of gin...

Do they have to solve the quadratic equations before or after they have had their fill of gin and tonics? Details are important.

[JimC]

Both before and after!

[DaveDodo007]

Education and media are the problem. Democracy seems to work ok in Scandinavia where the populace is better educated.

Jesus Fucking Titty Christ, please tell me you are joking. Sweden is the 'canary in the cage' of how not to govern a country. I bet Somalians say to each other "At least we are not Sweden." The Stranglers said it best.



Edit: Norway and Finland only look better because Sweden.

[Brian Peacock]

Both before and after!

A bit like those US-style eating competitions - you have to solve the equation and then down a G&T against the clock. The last mathematician with a correct answer and an empty glass is the winner. No vomiting allowed (or at least, no vomiting aloud).

Like this, but with gin and pencils.

[JimC]

Exactly!

And the pencil is vital!

(just ask the constipated mathematician, he worked it out with a pencil...)

[DaveDodo007]

Part of the problem with the EU referendum was that we're not accustomed to direct democracy in the UK. Although, I think the whole debacle could have been different if voters were given enough time and information to make an informed decision (as they were in the Scottish independence referendum). It was rushed through in a few short months. Voters had no idea of the exit conditions they were voting on, as the Government were unable to provide any real information, and nor was anyone else, so the media filled the vacuum with nonsense and shit.

The vast majority of the UK already knew which way they would vote even before the referendum was called. Scot Dutchy and Rum can keep fooling themselves for as long as they want, both campaigns behaved badly and it didn't make any difference. They also don't understand the UK as when we vote for something the politicians better carry it out or else. It's political suicide otherwise.

[DaveDodo007]

Referenda are the worst way to decide anything. You dont leave it to the electorate to make important decisions that what MP's are paid for. It is never a black and white decision.
Brexit was the worst decision made ever by any PM. The whole question was way over the head of the average voter and was reduced by the Leave campaign to one item; immigration which is in fact a non item in the EU. The repercussions of the vote was not even appreciated by the advocates of the leave campaign who were in fact playing a Bullingdon club game which got completely out hand which they even admitted has much.

Now everyone is walking around with egg on their faces. The Brexit has been kicked into the very long grass. May is hoping it will stay there for at least a good few years while memories go vague and disappear.

That might well be the biggest pile of horse shit I've ever read on here. Have you spoken to any 'out' voters?

We don't exist and even if we do we should have no say in how our country is run. Welcome to the lefty/liberal thought process, we should agree to their mentally ill thoughts or we should just keep quiet (and not vote) and allow our betters to do the thinking for us. I wish I was making this up, they really are totalitarian arsewipes who think they know better than the general population, fuck them as they are a bunch of retarded mongs.

[DaveDodo007]

Both before and after!

you're just a meanie.

[Brian Peacock]

The vast majority of the UK already knew which way they would vote even before the referendum was called.

What did the general public know about leaving the EU before the vote? What were they voting on? What did they know about the EU other than the warped commentary provided by Paul Dacre, Richard Desmond and Rupert Murdoch? Do you really think people like this are motivated by a desire to inspire the public to stand against totalitarianism - or is that just a convenient 'story'?

[DaveDodo007]

Referenda are the worst way to decide anything. You dont leave it to the electorate to make important decisions that what MP's are paid for. It is never a black and white decision.
Brexit was the worst decision made ever by any PM. The whole question was way over the head of the average voter and was reduced by the Leave campaign to one item; immigration which is in fact a non item in the EU. The repercussions of the vote was not even appreciated by the advocates of the leave campaign who were in fact playing a Bullingdon club game which got completely out hand which they even admitted has much.

Now everyone is walking around with egg on their faces. The Brexit has been kicked into the very long grass. May is hoping it will stay there for at least a good few years while memories go vague and disappear.

That might well be the biggest pile of horse shit I've ever read on here. Have you spoken to any 'out' voters?

Brexiters lied and lied. Most had not got a clue what they were voting for. It wont happen anyway.

How are you not a creationist, does reality mean nothing to you.

[DaveDodo007]

The vast majority of the UK already knew which way they would vote even before the referendum was called.

What did the general public know about leaving the EU before the vote? What were they voting on? What did they know about the EU other than the warped commentary provided by Paul Dacre, Richard Desmond and Rupert Murdoch? Do you really think people like this are motivated by a desire to inspire the public to stand against totalitarianism - or is that just a convenient 'story'?

You will have to ask them, though it would mean talking to people and gasp some people might disagree with you. I trust the general population far more than I trust the media or the government.

[JimC]

Problem is, a significant proportion of the general public take their opinions (with very little reflection) from mass media outlets, whose owners have an agenda (pushed hard by their tame journalists) driven by the self interest of themselves and their corporate cronies...

[Brian Peacock]

The vast majority of the UK already knew which way they would vote even before the referendum was called.

What did the general public know about leaving the EU before the vote? What were they voting on? What did they know about the EU other than the warped commentary provided by Paul Dacre, Richard Desmond and Rupert Murdoch? Do you really think people like this are motivated by a desire to inspire the public to stand against totalitarianism - or is that just a convenient 'story'?

You will have to ask them, though it would mean talking to people and gasp some people might disagree with you. I trust the general population far more than I trust the media or the government.

And again, because you dodged the question, where do the general public get the information on which to base their, by your lights, trustworthy opinions?

[Sean Hayden]

I'd guess most people get their opinions from a combination of experience, thinking about stuff, peer group, and people they look up to.

In the US someone may dislike immigration because they've experienced rapid and maybe unpleasant change in their area. They may also perceive an unkind evaluation of their culture from an opposition that flatters and enourages other cultures to flourish in order to enrich an impoverished one. They may also be frustrated by what they see as exaggerated claims of racism from immigrants seen to be doing quite well in a supposedly impoverished and hostile culture. They know their prospects for the good life have diminished considerably in step with a shrinking world.

On the face of it these opinions aren't stupid or necessarily informed by ugly natures.

[DaveDodo007]

The vast majority of the UK already knew which way they would vote even before the referendum was called.

What did the general public know about leaving the EU before the vote? What were they voting on? What did they know about the EU other than the warped commentary provided by Paul Dacre, Richard Desmond and Rupert Murdoch? Do you really think people like this are motivated by a desire to inspire the public to stand against totalitarianism - or is that just a convenient 'story'?

You will have to ask them, though it would mean talking to people and gasp some people might disagree with you. I trust the general population far more than I trust the media or the government.

And again, because you dodged the question, where do the general public get the information on which to base their, by your lights, trustworthy opinions?

Sorry grandad, us yoofs have this thing called the Intertubes or something, whatevar. You know us non sheep people don't listen to the corrupt MSM. We can seek out the truth and disregard the agenda pushing MSM.