Ahmed Mohamed: 'Clock boy' seeks $15m from city and school

[Brian Peacock]

You'll now tell us how taking a homemade clock to a science teacher justifies anthraxing a 14 year old boy according to what you've just posted?

[Seth]

You'll now tell us how taking a homemade clock to a science teacher justifies anthraxing a 14 year old boy according to what you've just posted?

No, bringing a hoax bomb to school then fleeing to an Islamic state and then trying to coerce 15 million dollars, likely to be used to fund Islamic terrorism, out of a school district for doing what it was compelled by law and reason to do is just another brick in the wall that we must put all Muslims inside of and never let them out.

[cronus]

You'll now tell us how taking a homemade clock to a science teacher justifies anthraxing a 14 year old boy according to what you've just posted?

No, bringing a hoax bomb to school then fleeing to an Islamic state and then trying to coerce 15 million dollars, likely to be used to fund Islamic terrorism, out of a school district for doing what it was compelled by law and reason to do is just another brick in the wall that we must put all Muslims inside of and never let them out.

Trump must win the election Seth. I hope you are doing your bit to help in a Republican over this next year? It may be existentially critical for the US and the free-world. Radical Islam is on the march. They are using our evolved Western approach to law against us. Another Democratic win will be basically handing the car keys to the White House, the US Army and so forth to a hundred thousand clock boys. Lawyers are circling the case of the half-bomb like vultures and Democrats love to feed lawyers...they are too naive to see the end result.

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

That's because you leave out an important principle of Tolerism™, which is that we tolerate the peaceable exercise of religion by others.

Islam is not a peaceable religion, therefore it need not be tolerated and indeed, the tenets of Tolerism™ expressly hold that we are fully justified in using force to oppose and defend against non-peaceable acts by anyone.

There are many, many muslim communities who do indeed practice their religion peacefully. They don't have to follow every war-like passage in the Koran, and in practice, they don't. There may well be instances where they sin by omission, as it were, by turning a blind eye to fundamentalists who do represent a danger, and in such cases, they deserve criticism. But you are doing your usual wild generalising, tarring all muslims with the sins of a few.

And when we do act against terrorism, it will largely be by good police work and good intelligence gathering. Such intelligence from within muslim communities will be a lot more forthcoming if they don't feel threatened by packs of baying red-neck racists out for blood, forcing them deeper into a muslim ghetto...

[Hermit]

There are many, many muslim communities who do indeed practice their religion peacefully. They don't have to follow every war-like passage in the Koran, and in practice, they don't. There may well be instances where they sin by omission, as it were, by turning a blind eye to fundamentalists who do represent a danger, and in such cases, they deserve criticism. But you are doing your usual wild generalising, tarring all muslims with the sins of a few.

And when we do act against terrorism, it will largely be by good police work and good intelligence gathering. Such intelligence from within muslim communities will be a lot more forthcoming if they don't feel threatened by packs of baying red-neck racists out for blood, forcing them deeper into a muslim ghetto...

[cronus]

I'm half and half. Some Muslims are driven by their religion to commit atrocities. I believe all the major religions need a defined forward that warns against the hate literature within their Holy Books. Education is so central to progress, if it all goes wrong at that stage the consequences can be catastrophic later regarding religion/society exactly the same as the sciences....which is why Dawkins point is valid, the kid never made a clock - he put a already made clock in a box and spooked his teachers....and that does raise interesting questions. I don't think it is possible to do that without some inspiration, at 14 and with the mass media saturation concerning terrorism it is not easy to be anything but suspicious of this situation. Especially since he now claims $15 million over this...he's got some smart adults around him, to achieve this outcome.

[Jason]

Maybe he's just a precocious prodigy now being used by the adult forces of greed and evil for a payday. I did shit like that when I was a kid - no parental guidance - but I was smart enough to know you can't effect political change and hold your hand-out at the same time. Without being able to talk to the kid it's hard to say.. but the lawsuit undid all the good he might have done. The whole thing is fucked now - capitalized political activism doesn't work.

[laklak]

Does if you win the lawsuit.

For you, anyway.

[Jason]

I'm just a dirty socialist at heart.

[Seth]

Seth wrote:

That's because you leave out an important principle of Tolerism™, which is that we tolerate the peaceable exercise of religion by others.

Islam is not a peaceable religion, therefore it need not be tolerated and indeed, the tenets of Tolerism™ expressly hold that we are fully justified in using force to oppose and defend against non-peaceable acts by anyone.

There are many, many muslim communities who do indeed practice their religion peacefully.

Are there? Or are there many Muslim communities who pretend to practice their religion peacefully in order to gull the infidels into ignoring their intent to either explode into outright violence when the time is right, or their intent to give aid and comfort to those who do so when it is deemed to be time to impose the Caliphate?

Is an Imam who exhorts mosque members to be true to Allah and the Koran in every detail "peacefully practicing" Islam, or is he priming his religious community for eventual jihad and support of jihad because that is what Allah commands his followers to do?

How many of these purported "many, many" Muslim communities have formed volunteer Muslim military units who have vowed before Allah to crush and destroy ISIS and the Caliphate so that they can live in peace? I'm betting the number is exactly zero.

They don't have to follow every war-like passage in the Koran, and in practice, they don't.

Are you sure, or are they just waiting patiently until they can successfully follow those passages that explicitly command them to make war on infidels?

There may well be instances where they sin by omission, as it were, by turning a blind eye to fundamentalists who do represent a danger, and in such cases, they deserve criticism. But you are doing your usual wild generalising, tarring all muslims with the sins of a few.

Well, that's because to be a Muslim you have to subscribe to jihad, the Islamic Caliphate and Allah's commands to kill and enslave anyone and everyone who is not a Muslim. If you don't obey the dictates of the Koran then you are not a Muslim, and that's according to Muslims themselves. So if these so called Muslims are actually rejecting parts of the Koran and have the intent of eschewing such violence and living in harmony with us infidels, then why don't they have a "New Koran" that edits out those commands from Allah? You ever seen a Koran edited that way? You ever heard an Imam teach that Allah does NOT want Islam to rule the world? I never have.

And this is precisely why we don't see "peaceful" Muslims rising up in outrage at the apostasy of the radical jihadists...because they aren't "radical jihadists" at all, they are ordinary Muslims following the commandments of their god and their prophet with intensity and devotion. "Peaceful" Muslims aren't ever going to go to war with other "radical" Muslims because they are all Muslims in the end, and even if they kill one another over claims of apostasy (sunni/shiite) within Islam, they are united in their hatred and intent to destroy and enslave the infidels...which means you and I...and I've never, ever, even once heard an Islamic dignitary or Imam or mullah or any other Muslim leader vow before their god that they will eschew all violence against infidels and that they will give up all pretensions towards Islamic religious rule (sharia law) of anyone who does not willingly consent to live under such law.

Never.

And I never expect I will because doing so makes them apostates to other Muslims, which will get them killed.

And when we do act against terrorism, it will largely be by good police work and good intelligence gathering. Such intelligence from within muslim communities will be a lot more forthcoming if they don't feel threatened by packs of baying red-neck racists out for blood, forcing them deeper into a muslim ghetto...

I don't care if they feel threatened. I want them to feel threatened. I want them to understand that we understand their nature, character, religion and intentions for the rest of the non-islamic world and we will not tolerate any behavior that threatens our liberties on the part of Muslims anywhere. If they want to live in peace with us, then they damned well better prove to us that they aren't 100 percent "sleeper cells" in our midst who intend to rise up and smite us when the opportunity arises. I want them to understand that if they persist in these pretensions to tyranny they will be utterly destroyed, root and branch, as a matter of social self-defense.

And the only way I see to provide such assurances is, first of all, for the religious authorities of Islam to openly reject the Caliphate, jihad, and violence against non-Muslims of any sort...both in public and in their mosques, on a regular basis, subject to auditing by the authorities to make sure they are not in fact secretly preaching sedition and terrorism.

They can start by ceasing and desisting from killing each other over which nephew of Mohammed is the proper Islamic authority. When the Sunni and Shiite reconcile and declare peace among themselves, then we can move on to them proving they are not a clear and present danger to the rest of the planet's population...and not before.

[Brian Peacock]

So you're justifying anthraxing a 14 year old boy because he's 'one of them.' You should be ashamed old man.

[Seth]

So you're justifying anthraxing a 14 year old boy because he's 'one of them.' You should be ashamed old man.

Should I? Being "one of them" makes him an enemy of civilization in the same way that the Hitler Youth were the enemies of civilization, or have you still not figured that out yet?

[Jason]

I worked with a guy that was in the Hitler youth - no lie.. he was a wonderful human being. It's amazing how good people can be misled so easily - especially in their youth.

[JimC]

Seth would be a useful example of clinical paranoia for psychology students to study...

In a closed ward...

[Seth]

Seth would be a useful example of clinical paranoia for psychology students to study...

In a closed ward...

I believe you are required to give yourself a week's suspension for the personal insult you just hurled.