Abortion is racist genocide in action

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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by piscator » Tue May 13, 2014 8:50 pm

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rEvolutionist wrote:
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rEvolutionist wrote:Where's the force or fraud? Why can't these women be free to choose whether they have an abortion or not??
They can, right up until doing so initiates force on a viable fetus.
Lol. Yeah, as I said... you're only concerned about your particular conservative moral hobby horses. This has nothing to do with black women. It's got to do with your backwards religious thinking.

A lot of political conservatives are social conservatives (or self loathing freaks) with nowhere else to go. They were inculcated with a regressive moralistic respect for the past, and most conceptions of a future are pure eschatology. Euthyphro really fucks them up, BTW.
Nothing wrong with the eschaton, a powerful boot up the arse for any culture lacking self-motivation. :read:

Don't they call that, "A pleasant fiction" wherever it is Hollywood goes for tony aristocratic accents?

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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by Seth » Wed May 14, 2014 12:56 am

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Women who are acting like men don't appeal to men.
A good many sensible women understand this. The vocal minority of hairy-pitted dykes however have nearly managed to persuade the rest of us that moral opprobrium of their biologically aberrant sexual behavior is somehow morally wrong. I really don't care at all who has sex with whom, but I do care about the radical fringe abusing civil rights laws to the detriment of others to satisfy their need for acceptance. You don't get accepted by invoking the law, you get more opprobrium. You get acceptance from being part of a community and demonstrating that you don't threaten what others find to be important in their lives.
Equality works but only for a time, then the birth rate drops and the old can't be cared for and it all falls apart.


It all depends on what is meant by the term "equality." In proper context it means to not have barriers to otherwise peaceable personal happiness and fulfillment deliberately obstructed (particularly by the law) by some other group on the basis of a perception of repugnance for associated behavior of the target group. it does not mean equality of outcomes nor does it mean every person, regardless of gender or gender preference, is entitled to have the same as everyone else has. It just means that those status attributes should not be the justification for deliberately discriminating against an individual, so long as the demands made of the person choosing to discriminate do not infringe on his or her rights of free speech, religion and association.

These communists, who've gone and brainwashed you Seth, are always gonna lose because the world isn't fair. Women and men are different. Biology 101 and religion 101. The one point agreed by both.
They wish they could brainwash me! Yes, they are going to lose because yes, the world isn't fair, and both socialism and communism fail because they completely fail to take ordinary, natural human behavior and motives into account in constructing the ideologies. Both are utopian fallacies that can never work because that's just not how humans operate.
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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

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piscator wrote:
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rEvolutionist wrote:Where's the force or fraud? Why can't these women be free to choose whether they have an abortion or not??
They can, right up until doing so initiates force on a viable fetus.

Is a 1st trimester fetus "Viable"?
Not at the moment, no. But the "viability" of a fetus is moving farther and farther back into gestation as medical science advances, and someday there will be artificial wombs that can accept a zygote and carry it to term successfully, at which point abortion must be banned completely.
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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by Seth » Wed May 14, 2014 12:59 am

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So if she does so, all responsibility and liability rests with her, and the man is completely and absolutely absolved of any and all future responsibility or liability by virtue of the woman's sovereign rights over her body.

End of story.

Women wanted equality, and they got it...good and hard. (With apologies to H.L. Mencken)

I'd like to see you tell that to a judge, but obviously there's little danger of that. :coffee:


Moreover, if an embryo is "Viable", didn't it instigate force and perhaps fraud against the mother by attaching itself to her uterus uninvited?
There's your problem right there, Sparky...it's not "uninvited." It's absolutely invited. Besides, an embryo doesn't have mens rea to do harm.
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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by Seth » Wed May 14, 2014 1:00 am

Scumple wrote: Nothing wrong with the eschaton, a powerful boot up the arse for any culture lacking self-motivation. :read:
I eshaton the toilet earlier today. It was a great relief.
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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by pErvinalia » Wed May 14, 2014 2:43 am

Seth wrote:
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Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:Where's the force or fraud? Why can't these women be free to choose whether they have an abortion or not??
They can, right up until doing so initiates force on a viable fetus.

Is a 1st trimester fetus "Viable"?
Not at the moment, no. But the "viability" of a fetus is moving farther and farther back into gestation as medical science advances, and someday there will be artificial wombs that can accept a zygote and carry it to term successfully, at which point abortion must be banned completely.
This IS an interesting point, and one I've talk about a bit in the past. Not that abortion should be banned, but that it poses a moral dilemma of sorts.
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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by Seth » Wed May 14, 2014 6:32 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
piscator wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:Where's the force or fraud? Why can't these women be free to choose whether they have an abortion or not??
They can, right up until doing so initiates force on a viable fetus.

Is a 1st trimester fetus "Viable"?
Not at the moment, no. But the "viability" of a fetus is moving farther and farther back into gestation as medical science advances, and someday there will be artificial wombs that can accept a zygote and carry it to term successfully, at which point abortion must be banned completely.
This IS an interesting point, and one I've talk about a bit in the past. Not that abortion should be banned, but that it poses a moral dilemma of sorts.
Indeed. It would be nice for once to get past the stone wall of abortion/no abortion and examine the nuances. But first we have to agree on the true nature of the organism living inside the woman, which is a living human being. From there we can discuss the biological, legal, social and moral issues about abortion, but not until we first dispose of the ridiculous canard that a fetus is not a living human being.
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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by piscator » Wed May 14, 2014 6:45 pm

You invented it, so go right ahead.... :roll:

Anyone who thinks an abortion doesn't terminate a potential human being, is working from another definition.

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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by MrJonno » Wed May 14, 2014 8:09 pm

Anyone who thinks an abortion doesn't terminate a potential human being, is working from another definition.
well that would be the first' human being' that Seth has ever cared about , shame he couldn't spend more time concentrating on those who have actually been born
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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by piscator » Wed May 14, 2014 8:19 pm

MrJonno wrote:
Anyone who thinks an abortion doesn't terminate a potential human being, is working from another definition.
well that would be the first' human being' that Seth has ever cared about , shame he couldn't spend more time concentrating on those who have actually been born

He certainly seems to spend lots of time rationalizing and justifying ways to kill them, the second they trip the tightly-strung wire of his self interest...

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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by mistermack » Wed May 14, 2014 9:03 pm

Every time you pull it out, or slip on a condom, or have a wank, you terminate potential humans.
So fuckin what?

As there is no magic point where potential becomes actual, it makes sense to terminate as early as possible. And have a legal term limit.

Something like exactly what we do now.
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Post by piscator » Wed May 14, 2014 9:50 pm

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Every sperm is great,
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Post by piscator » Wed May 14, 2014 10:04 pm

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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by piscator » Wed May 14, 2014 10:21 pm

Seth wrote:
piscator wrote:
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So if she does so, all responsibility and liability rests with her, and the man is completely and absolutely absolved of any and all future responsibility or liability by virtue of the woman's sovereign rights over her body.

End of story.

Women wanted equality, and they got it...good and hard. (With apologies to H.L. Mencken)

I'd like to see you tell that to a judge, but obviously there's little danger of that. :coffee:


Moreover, if an embryo is "Viable", didn't it instigate force and perhaps fraud against the mother by attaching itself to her uterus uninvited?
There's your problem right there, Sparky...it's not "uninvited." It's absolutely invited. Besides, an embryo doesn't have mens rea to do harm.

US courts have long held that paternity carries some obligations, if the mother chooses to pursue the issue. You would have none of that?

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Re: Abortion is racist genocide in action

Post by Hermit » Wed May 14, 2014 11:45 pm

Seth wrote:...we first dispose of the ridiculous canard that a fetus is not a living human being.
Why stop there?

All together now, sing along: Every sperm is sacred...

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