Uninsured Father Dies of Toothache

[MrJonno]

Hate to say it but there is no 'free' dental service in the UK even under the NHS unless you are a child/unemployed/elderly etc. If you are working you have to pay a subsidised amount to see the dentist which is completely wrong of course. If you want a infected tooth treated and are working you will have to pay , it won't be a lot £20-40 $30-$60.

[Pappa]

Hate to say it but there is no 'free' dental service in the UK even under the NHS unless you are a child/unemployed/elderly etc. If you are working you have to pay a subsidised amount to see the dentist which is completely wrong of course. If you want a infected tooth treated and are working you will have to pay , it won't be a lot £20-40 $30-$60.

It is still possible to get completely free dental work in the UK if you are working, but only via a hospital that has a dental unit. I've never been to one, but a friend used to go and said that the dental students do the work under observation. I can't confirm if it's always students who perform the work, but he had wisdom teeth extracted by a student.

[MrJonno]

Hate to say it but there is no 'free' dental service in the UK even under the NHS unless you are a child/unemployed/elderly etc. If you are working you have to pay a subsidised amount to see the dentist which is completely wrong of course. If you want a infected tooth treated and are working you will have to pay , it won't be a lot £20-40 $30-$60.

It is still possible to get completely free dental work in the UK if you are working, but only via a hospital that has a dental unit. I've never been to one, but a friend used to go and said that the dental students do the work under observation. I can't confirm if it's always students who perform the work, but he had wisdom teeth extracted by a student.

Thats more dental surgery, routine stuff like fillings, cleaning I thought you had to always pay for.

I know when I last went to the dentist wisdom teeth extaction was considered a specialist operation and was not done by the normal dentist (didnt pay for treatment as I was unemployed at the time but I believe it would have been about £60 if I was working).

It's one of the reasons there is a stereotype of Brit's with bad teeth, ie if we are expected to pay for any medical treatments we don't tend to go

[mistermack]

Yet another death to chalk down to the republican party.
Hitler was born in the wrong place, in the wrong era.
I can just imagine what Seth would have made of the "Jewish Problem", if they could have swapped places.

[MrJonno]

Nah Norway today, lots of nasty little socialist kids to go hunting

[Seth]

He had a choice to seek further medical attention, but he didn't. Hardly a failing of socialism, but it goes to show that it isn't as authoritarian as you purport it to be.

Didn't the guy in the OP also have the choice to seek further medical attention?

Yes, as is the 'choice' in a capitalised system:

You either have the money to afford it, or you don't.

Or you have access to a vast network of charitable organizations and altruistic people who will help you, but only if you seek them out, choke back your pride, and ASK THEM FOR HELP.

And if he'd gone to ANY ER when his infection became worse and became life-threatening, he would have been treated, again for FREE, because federal law requires it. He didn't. He sat at home getting sicker and sicker until he died rather than going and getting care.

[Seth]

Hate to say it but there is no 'free' dental service in the UK even under the NHS unless you are a child/unemployed/elderly etc. If you are working you have to pay a subsidised amount to see the dentist which is completely wrong of course. If you want a infected tooth treated and are working you will have to pay , it won't be a lot £20-40 $30-$60.

It is still possible to get completely free dental work in the UK if you are working, but only via a hospital that has a dental unit. I've never been to one, but a friend used to go and said that the dental students do the work under observation. I can't confirm if it's always students who perform the work, but he had wisdom teeth extracted by a student.

Thats more dental surgery, routine stuff like fillings, cleaning I thought you had to always pay for.

I know when I last went to the dentist wisdom teeth extaction was considered a specialist operation and was not done by the normal dentist (didnt pay for treatment as I was unemployed at the time but I believe it would have been about £60 if I was working).

It's one of the reasons there is a stereotype of Brit's with bad teeth, ie if we are expected to pay for any medical treatments we don't tend to go

Parsimonious fuckers, aren't they? Rather die of a tooth infection than pay their pint money to get it fixed. Hoist on their own petard, I say, and good riddance.

[Seth]

Yet another death to chalk down to the republican party.
Hitler was born in the wrong place, in the wrong era.
I can just imagine what Seth would have made of the "Jewish Problem", if they could have swapped places.

And what do you imagine I'd do about the "Jewish Problem?"

[Robert_S]

Yet another death to chalk down to the republican party.
Hitler was born in the wrong place, in the wrong era.
I can just imagine what Seth would have made of the "Jewish Problem", if they could have swapped places.

And what do you imagine I'd do about the "Jewish Problem?"

Make them all get jobs!

[Schneibster]

He had a choice to seek further medical attention, but he didn't. Hardly a failing of socialism, but it goes to show that it isn't as authoritarian as you purport it to be.

Didn't the guy in the OP also have the choice to seek further medical attention?

Yes, as is the 'choice' in a capitalised system:

You either have the money to afford it, or you don't.

Or you have access to a vast network of charitable organizations and altruistic people who will help you, but only if you seek them out, choke back your pride, and ASK THEM FOR HELP.

Except giving is down because of the economic crisis. Maybe you forgot.

[Seth]

He had a choice to seek further medical attention, but he didn't. Hardly a failing of socialism, but it goes to show that it isn't as authoritarian as you purport it to be.

Didn't the guy in the OP also have the choice to seek further medical attention?

Yes, as is the 'choice' in a capitalised system:

You either have the money to afford it, or you don't.

Or you have access to a vast network of charitable organizations and altruistic people who will help you, but only if you seek them out, choke back your pride, and ASK THEM FOR HELP.

Except giving is down because of the economic crisis. Maybe you forgot.

Hm...people inclined to give charity assistance now unable to do so because of an economic crisis, and you're fine with taxing them more to pay for "charitable" assistance to the dependent class.

That's more than a little hypocritical.

Perhaps giving is down because people see no need to be charitable when the government is taxing them to redistribute their wealth to the poor.

Oh, wait, there's no "perhaps" about it, that's exactly what happens, and it's why the US is the most charitable nation on the face of the earth, and Brits are parsimonious, selfish fucks of the first water.

That's what happens under socialism, you see. People are not inclined to be charitable when they already have to share the fruits of their labor with everyone else "according to their need." They just say, "well, then fuck this charity thing, I want my share!"

Odd how that works out, isn't it?

[Seth]

Yet another death to chalk down to the republican party.
Hitler was born in the wrong place, in the wrong era.
I can just imagine what Seth would have made of the "Jewish Problem", if they could have swapped places.

And what do you imagine I'd do about the "Jewish Problem?"

Make them all get jobs!

Unemployed Jews was not a problem in pre-war Germany. In fact, it was the fact that Jews were quite successful in business that caused Hitler to hate them so much, and the Nazis had to put them OUT of business (remember "Krystalnacht"?).

[Schneibster]

Didn't the guy in the OP also have the choice to seek further medical attention?

Yes, as is the 'choice' in a capitalised system:

You either have the money to afford it, or you don't.

Or you have access to a vast network of charitable organizations and altruistic people who will help you, but only if you seek them out, choke back your pride, and ASK THEM FOR HELP.

Except giving is down because of the economic crisis. Maybe you forgot.

Hm...people inclined to give charity assistance now unable to do so because of an economic crisis, and you're fine with taxing them more to pay for "charitable" assistance to the dependent class.

Nope. Just want the money that's already there spent more wisely than it was during the Bush administration, on trailers that were contaminated with formaldehyde, and a competent manager, rather than "Heckuva job Brownie."

Stop putting words in my mouth. It's lying.

[Seth]

Hm...people inclined to give charity assistance now unable to do so because of an economic crisis, and you're fine with taxing them more to pay for "charitable" assistance to the dependent class.

Nope. Just want the money that's already there spent more wisely than it was during the Bush administration, on trailers that were contaminated with formaldehyde, and a competent manager, rather than "Heckuva job Brownie."

Stop putting words in my mouth. It's lying.

What the fuck are you talking about? We're discussing some guy who died through his own stupidity of a tooth infection, not Bush or Katrina.

[Schneibster]

Hm...people inclined to give charity assistance now unable to do so because of an economic crisis, and you're fine with taxing them more to pay for "charitable" assistance to the dependent class.

Nope. Just want the money that's already there spent more wisely than it was during the Bush administration, on trailers that were contaminated with formaldehyde, and a competent manager, rather than "Heckuva job Brownie."

Stop putting words in my mouth. It's lying.

What the fuck are you talking about?

you're fine with taxing them more