Gotta luv dem poor, benighted Palastinians...

[JOZeldenrust]

"Their own homes" - whose homes? The particular Palestinians that are throwing rocks, bombs and grenades? The homes of those Palestinians parents? their grandparents? Their great grandparents?

And whose land was it before the Palestinians moved in? Were they there since before mankind first evolved from some hominid ancestor? Or did they poach it from some other tribe of arabs?

What the fuck makes any specific patch of dirt "belong" to any one ethnic/religious/racial/national/fashion conscious group as opposed to any other? And what gives anybody the right to murder their fellow human beings because of that?



Run the clock back far enough and the Palestinians and Jews that you are talking about share common ancestors. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM!

You advocate tribal madness simply because you ARBITRARILY choose one of these tribes over another - but the truth is, they are cousins - we all are.




Every death, rape, imprisonment, beating, theft or nasty look in the street (from whichever side and directed at whichever other side) in this whole fucking conflict is disgusting and unjustified. Because, in the end, it is nothing more than humans giving into the basest of tribal programming and ignoring the shrieks of reason and commonality.

If you can't see that, I pity you. You should probably masturbate more.

Whose homes? How about the homes of Arabs in Hebron (or were their homes), for example? If you take your blinders off, you will see time and again that Jews have expelled Arabs from their home homes and stole their land and water wells. Hebron is just but one of many in recent memory.

You blindly ignore the fact that Jews in Israel and the occupied territories relegate Arabs to second class citizens in an openly racist way that would make Hitler blush. You also blindly take the side of Jews by using the fallacy that nothing belongs to any one. Well, then according to your logic, Jews should get out of Israel because they don't have any right to it.

The problem is not that they share a common ancestor, the problem is the fact that Jews are ethnically cleansing Arabs from the West Bank, murdering those that dare fight for their own homes, and then calling everyone "anti-Semites". It is not "tribal madness" I'm advocating, it is the destruction of Jewish supremacists.

And you didn't answer my question. What would you have the Palestinians do to stop being expelled from their own land and homes?

Gawd,

It doesn't help the discussion when you accuse my even-handed condemnation of both sides of the conflict of 'blindly ignoring' one side! Please tell me where in the sentence I have highlighted I ignore (blindly or otherwise) the actions of the Israelis?

And, to answer your question, if the Palestinian authorities eschew violence and take steps to distance themselves from those that promote it, progress can be made. It happened with Yasser Arafat - he achieved more by coming in from the cold than he ever did with guns and bombs. Sadly, the Palestinian people chose Hammas and open warfare after he died. This is a war that neither side is ever going to win. The only solution - to ALL of the problems in the region - is dialogue and a relaxation of tensions on both sides.

That might appear an inadequate solution to you. And it is. But, the fact is, NOTHING is going to get the Jews out of Israel. The only way forwards is to make the best of the situation, or else carry on living in a bombed-out slum. Poking tigers with sticks is just fucking pointless and dangerous.

The peace process didn't die with Arafat, it died with Rabin. He was the last Jewish dove with enough public support to sell a non-oppressive approach of the Palestinians to the Isrealis.

[Seth]

The question wasn't which tactics aren't justified, the question was which tactics are justified. You sure as hell didn't answer that question.

That wasn't the question. The question was, specifically, "What the hell do you want them to do?"

I want them to not murder children in their beds, for one thing.

I'd also like all of them who do murder children in their beds, and those who support or condone such actions, to immediately step outside their front door, and I mean RIGHT NOW, fall to their knees, proclaim loudly "I am an evil, sub-human creature unworthy of continued life" and then I want them to slit their bellies open with a dull butcher knife and allow their intestines to fall on the ground before them, where they are to look at them and contemplate the depths of their evil sub-humanness until they die.

THAT is the only "justifiable" tactic available to them.

[MarkS]

Does that include the Israelis that do such things Seth?

[Seth]

Does that include the Israelis that do such things Seth?

Sure. It includes anyone anywhere who does such things.

[Gawd]

The question wasn't which tactics aren't justified, the question was which tactics are justified. You sure as hell didn't answer that question.

That wasn't the question. The question was, specifically, "What the hell do you want them to do?"

I want them to not murder children in their beds, for one thing.

I'd also like all of them who do murder children in their beds, and those who support or condone such actions, to immediately step outside their front door, and I mean RIGHT NOW, fall to their knees, proclaim loudly "I am an evil, sub-human creature unworthy of continued life" and then I want them to slit their bellies open with a dull butcher knife and allow their intestines to fall on the ground before them, where they are to look at them and contemplate the depths of their evil sub-humanness until they die.

THAT is the only "justifiable" tactic available to them.

That wasn't the question, you are taking it out of context. The question I asked is: What would you have the Palestinians do to stop being expelled from their own land and homes?

[Seth]

The question wasn't which tactics aren't justified, the question was which tactics are justified. You sure as hell didn't answer that question.

That wasn't the question. The question was, specifically, "What the hell do you want them to do?"

I want them to not murder children in their beds, for one thing.

I'd also like all of them who do murder children in their beds, and those who support or condone such actions, to immediately step outside their front door, and I mean RIGHT NOW, fall to their knees, proclaim loudly "I am an evil, sub-human creature unworthy of continued life" and then I want them to slit their bellies open with a dull butcher knife and allow their intestines to fall on the ground before them, where they are to look at them and contemplate the depths of their evil sub-humanness until they die.

THAT is the only "justifiable" tactic available to them.

That wasn't the question, you are taking it out of context. The question I asked is: What would you have the Palestinians do to stop being expelled from their own land and homes?

That's not the question you asked, but to answer that question, I would have them shut the fuck up and go live in Syria or Lebanon or any other Islamic Arab shit hole they care to emigrate to because it's not their land or homes anymore. They had a war with Israel, they lost. When they lost the war they started, they lost the right to the land. Sucks to be the loser in a war you started. Time to move on, much like the Jews were required to do by the Arab world for something like 5000 years. Turnabout is fair play and they should be grateful they weren't simply exterminated, which is what the grasshopper-eating camel-fuckers are prepared to do to the Jews.

[egbert]

Itamar Israel (Associated Press) -- "A Palestinian infiltrated a Jewish West Bank settlement early today and killed five people, the Israeli military said. Israeli media is reporting that the dead are all members of the same family -- parents and three children. Members of the family -- including an 11-year-old, a 3-year-old and an infant-- were all stabbed in their sleep, the YNet Website reported."

Yeah, those Israeli kids definitely deserved to be knifed to death in their sleep for "illegally occupying" the West Bank...not.

You don't suppose it might have been "payback" for the knifing of a Palestinian schoolboy by four Israelis
whose charges were just reduced by the Israeli court (surprise, surprise!).

[Seth]

Itamar Israel (Associated Press) -- "A Palestinian infiltrated a Jewish West Bank settlement early today and killed five people, the Israeli military said. Israeli media is reporting that the dead are all members of the same family -- parents and three children. Members of the family -- including an 11-year-old, a 3-year-old and an infant-- were all stabbed in their sleep, the YNet Website reported."

Yeah, those Israeli kids definitely deserved to be knifed to death in their sleep for "illegally occupying" the West Bank...not.

You don't suppose it might have been "payback" for the knifing of a Palestinian schoolboy by four Israelis
whose charges were just reduced by the Israeli court (surprise, surprise!).

This is the fallacy of "two wrongs make a right."

I don't care what their motivation was, what happened was barbaric and the person who committed it, and all those who condone or support such actions are sub-human animals unworthy of respect or regard who deserve nothing less than to be removed from the planet permanently.

[Gawd]

Abbas: Itamar attack was despicable, immoral and inhuman

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Monday that the Itamar terror attack was a despicable, immoral, and inhuman act.

"A human being is not capable of something like that," Abbas said in an interview with Israel Radio on Monday. "Scenes like these - the murder of infants and children and a woman slaughtered - cause any person endowed with humanity to hurt and to cry."

Abbas added that the Palestinian Authority would have prevented the attack, in which five members of the Fogel family were stabbed to death by two Palestinian terrorists in the West Bank settlement of Itamar, if it would have had prior information about it. He noted that he agreed with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to launch a joint investigation into the matter.

He said that he does not expect a wave of terror attacks in the immediate future and stressed that he will not allow it.

He also rejected Netanyahu's previous comments that the PA incites against Israel in its mosques, and called to set up an Israeli-Palestinian-American committee to examine Netanyahu's allegations that there is incitement in Palestinian textbooks in schools.

Following the attack, Netanyahu had repeatedly called on the Palestinians to explicitly condemn the murder in Itamar, expressing dissatisfaction at the PA's immediate statements condemning violence.

On Sunday, Israel responded to the terror attack by approving 400 housing units in the West Bank settlements, a move which brought harsh criticism from both the Palestinians and the United States.

Lookie here, the Palestinians are the voice of reason and "Israel responded to the terror attack by approving 400 housing units in the West Bank settlements". So the Jews keep on stealing.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... n-1.349098

[Seth]

Abbas: Itamar attack was despicable, immoral and inhuman

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Monday that the Itamar terror attack was a despicable, immoral, and inhuman act.

"A human being is not capable of something like that," Abbas said in an interview with Israel Radio on Monday. "Scenes like these - the murder of infants and children and a woman slaughtered - cause any person endowed with humanity to hurt and to cry."

... he said, talking out of one side of his mouth while lighting the fuse on a Kayusha rocket with the cigar in the other side of his mouth while simultaneously strapping a bomb vest to a 13 year old child with his left hand and flipping the arming switch on the remote with his right....

Lookie here, the Palestinians are the voice of reason and "Israel responded to the terror attack by approving 400 housing units in the West Bank settlements". So the Jews keep on stealing.

They stole nothing. They won the territory through conquest resulting from a war forced upon them by Arabs. It's theirs, and they can build anything they want. Palestinians live there on sufferance and had better mind their P's and Q's or they will be justifiably ejected from Israeli territory.

[MarkS]

But they won't will they Seth? They will keep fighting and dying for their ancestral lands, they will keep prodding that tiger with a stick, 12 Palestinian children for each Israeli child, one Israeli child is killed is one too many but so is one Palestinian kid. The act in the OP was vile but it makes no difference whether a person is killed with a knife, a bullet or shell or because they were not able to get to a hospital. What is Israel to do? Drive them into the sea as the extremists would have it? Keep up the armed status quo until eventually in 50 years they are surrounded by hostile nuclear armed states and some fanatics do the atomic martyr thing in Tel Aviv?

[Seth]

But they won't will they Seth? They will keep fighting and dying for their ancestral lands, they will keep prodding that tiger with a stick, 12 Palestinian children for each Israeli child, one Israeli child is killed is one too many but so is one Palestinian kid. The act in the OP was vile but it makes no difference whether a person is killed with a knife, a bullet or shell or because they were not able to get to a hospital. What is Israel to do? Drive them into the sea as the extremists would have it? Keep up the armed status quo until eventually in 50 years they are surrounded by hostile nuclear armed states and some fanatics do the atomic martyr thing in Tel Aviv?

As long as all they do is protest, let them. If they engage in violence, arrest them, deport them or kill them, depending on the level of violence presented.

[sandinista]

But they won't will they Seth? They will keep fighting and dying for their ancestral lands, they will keep prodding that tiger with a stick, 12 Palestinian children for each Israeli child, one Israeli child is killed is one too many but so is one Palestinian kid. The act in the OP was vile but it makes no difference whether a person is killed with a knife, a bullet or shell or because they were not able to get to a hospital. What is Israel to do? Drive them into the sea as the extremists would have it? Keep up the armed status quo until eventually in 50 years they are surrounded by hostile nuclear armed states and some fanatics do the atomic martyr thing in Tel Aviv?

As long as all they do is protest, let them. If they engage in violence, arrest them, deport them or kill them, depending on the level of violence presented.

yah, because "protesting" is sooo effective.

[Svartalf]

Gawd baiting is fun.

Heck, it was so huge I almost jumped in defence of the Palestinian... except arguing with Seth is like asking a drunk to barf it all out in your mouth.

[Sælir]

That's not the question you asked, but to answer that question, I would have them shut the fuck up and go live in Syria or Lebanon or any other Islamic Arab shit hole they care to emigrate to because it's not their land or homes anymore. They had a war with Israel, they lost. When they lost the war they started, they lost the right to the land. Sucks to be the loser in a war you started. Time to move on, much like the Jews were required to do by the Arab world for something like 5000 years. Turnabout is fair play and they should be grateful they weren't simply exterminated, which is what the grasshopper-eating camel-fuckers are prepared to do to the Jews.

I don´t know if you are aware of this but at least Lebanese people don´t want Palestinians in their country. They are not allowed to integrate and the majority lives in camps there with no contact to the Lebanese people.
Why would the Lebanese have to take them in if they don´t want to? Just so they leave Israel? Yes, that sounds fair