Across the US, Mosque Projects Meet Opposition

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I respect the rights of people to build their buildings and freely assemble therein, although I think much of what they say is utter bollocks.

A also respect the rights of people to freely assemble make a big stink about the other people building their buildings and freely assembling therein, although I think much of what they say is utter bollocks.

I cannot help but think that if there had never been any plans to build a mosque near ground zero, then much of this vitriol would not be spewing forth.

I think people should have as much right to building religious building where they will as NAMBLA does to build a headquarters near an elementary school.

[Robert_S]

I respect the rights of people to build their buildings and freely assemble therein, although I think much of what they say is utter bollocks.

A also respect the rights of people to freely assemble make a big stink about the other people building their buildings and freely assembling therein, although I think much of what they say is utter bollocks.

I cannot help but think that if there had never been any plans to build a mosque near ground zero, then much of this vitriol would not be spewing forth.

I think people should have as much right to building religious building where they will as NAMBLA does to build a headquarters near an elementary school.

If the regulations are written so that it applies equally to all forms of intentional lying, then I'm with you.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I respect the rights of people to build their buildings and freely assemble therein, although I think much of what they say is utter bollocks.

A also respect the rights of people to freely assemble make a big stink about the other people building their buildings and freely assembling therein, although I think much of what they say is utter bollocks.

I cannot help but think that if there had never been any plans to build a mosque near ground zero, then much of this vitriol would not be spewing forth.

I think people should have as much right to building religious building where they will as NAMBLA does to build a headquarters near an elementary school.

If the regulations are written so that it applies equally to all forms of intentional lying, then I'm with you.

We have the situation where blatant bullshit is protected speech. And we have pedos in charge of schools. Until we stop giving ANY religion a special status we'll continue to have these problems. We don't allow drug dealers to do business next to schools, but we allow churches to establish and run schools.

[FBM]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

Good, because I'm not about to respect any establishment of religion, by force of law or otherwise.

In terms of fairness, if there are enough people with enough money to spend on their woo-center, Muslim or otherwise, they should have the same rights as any others with competing woo-systems.

In terms of common sense, we should raze all woo-centers to the ground and put schools/hospitals/homeless shelters, etc in their place. If people want to practice superstition, they should be required to keep it at home, out of sight. They should also be prosecuted for indoctrinating their children in superstition. But that's for a different thread.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You probably already know that "respecting" in that case meant "with the intent to establish a (state) religion".

[sandinista]

what does that have to do with anything?

Yeah, if you're not bashing Merkins why the fuck did you post at all?

what the fuck does that even mean?

They name streets after people like you. "One Way".

Hey they have signs about you too, they read "dead end"....btw, not a very nice thing to say to you're sweetie eh?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Hey they have signs about you too, they read "dead end"....btw, not a very nice thing to say to you're sweetie eh?

*pat, pat, pat*

[sandinista]

what does that have to do with anything?

Yeah, if you're not bashing Merkins why the fuck did you post at all?

what the fuck does that even mean?

They name streets after people like you. "One Way".

...or...funny coming from a guy who swings both ways

...and "pat pat pat" yourself, I'm not doing that for you.

[Toontown]

Only the terminally naive can fail to recognize that the long range goal of Islam is to breed itself to world domination. This is to be accomplished by the simple expedients of immigration, non-assimilation, and unrestrained breeding.

That's right, geniuses. The mosque is it's armory. The baby cannon is it's primary weapon.

And it will kick your asses. You have no defense against it. None. Islam will rule the earth, and there is nothing you people will do about it.

[FBM]

You probably already know that "respecting" in that case meant "with the intent to establish a (state) religion".

Of course. Just playing with the ambiguity.

[redunderthebed]

A mosque is no different from a church synagogue temple or anything of that sort. If we are a tolerant society therefor freedom to worship has to be granted to all.The trick is not to isolate them and alienate them thats what has lead to muslims blowing themselves up in the UK and going over to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight holy jihad.

We should be accepting them and integrating to our society then the minority that caused 9/11 and all this other terrible loss of life will be isolated and muslims will be more willing to go to the cops that cousin hasan is planning to drive a car into the US embassy.Bigotry towards them just drives them into the arms of the nutters. Quite often the community doesn't trust the police so therefor wont do anything when they know something is happening.

Shit for a forum thats meant to be rational and all there is alot of irrational bigotry flying around in this thread and basically all threads relating to Islam. I mean we would be jumping up and down if Atheist were getting treated like muslims are these days.

[Trolldor]

In March 2008 the New York Times ran a piece headlined "Resolute or Fearful, Many Muslims Turn to Home Schooling." I read, appalled, that 40 percent of Pakistani and Southeaszt Asian families in the Lodi district east of San Francisco have opted for home scholing for their daughters. Many possible reasons for this decision were listen in the article: so that Muslim children will not be teased or mocked, exposted to pork, "corrupted" by American influences - but mainly so that the girls do not engage in behaviors that would "dishonoer" their families and render them unsuitable for marriage.

Smiling, Vermeer-like photos of young girls in veils, reading and playing with their yo-yos, softened the shock that this information might otherwise elicit. But why should America citizens or future American citizens be taught that girls must cover their hair and even their faces? That boys and men are entitled to boss girls around? That loyalt to another, higher law is more important than loyalty to the U.S. Constitution? That a minimal education and an arranged marriage to your cousin is all that a female American Muslim needs? Why live in the United States if you want to keep girls culturally illuterate?

It is important to remember that Muslim schools are different from so-called regular Christian or Jewish schools. By "regular" I mean schools that are Christian or Jewish in identit but have a secular curricula. Muslim schools, by contrast, are more or less like madrassas which emp[hasize religion more than any other subject. Students are taught toi distance themselves from science and the values of freedom, individuual responsibility, and tolerance. The establishment of a Muslim school anywhere in the world, but especially in the West, gives Wahabis and other wealthy Muslim extremists an opportunity to isolate and indoctrinate vulnerable groups of Children.

According to a survey by the Muslim lobby council on America-Islamic relations, 33 percent of mosques in Ameriac do not permit women on their governing boards and 66 percent seclude women behind a wall, where they can listen to the sermon through loudspeakers but they can not hear the imam speaking. That last figure has actually risen since 1994, when it was "only" 54 percent.

Only the terminally naive can fail to recognize that the long range goal of Islam is to breed itself to world domination. This is to be accomplished by the simple expedients of immigration, non-assimilation, and unrestrained breeding.

That's right, geniuses. The mosque is it's armory. The baby cannon is it's primary weapon.

And it will kick your asses. You have no defense against it. None. Islam will rule the earth, and there is nothing you people will do about it.
Only the terminally naive can fail to recognize that the long range goal of Islam is to breed itself to world domination. This is to be accomplished by the simple expedients of immigration, non-assimilation, and unrestrained breeding.

That's right, geniuses. The mosque is it's armory. The baby cannon is it's primary weapon.

And it will kick your asses. You have no defense against it. None. Islam will rule the earth, and there is nothing you people will do about it.

lol. This would hold more weight if you weren't against everything that even vaguely criticised America.

[Toontown]

A mosque is no different from a church synagogue temple or anything of that sort.

Yes it is different. The goal of Islam is to crush the Infidel. That's us. Us, specifically.

If we are a tolerant society therefor freedom to worship has to be granted to all.

No it doesn't. Infinite tolerance is plain stupid.

The trick is not to isolate them and alienate them thats what has lead to muslims blowing themselves up in the UK and going over to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight holy jihad.

Why do their feelings always have to be our problem?

Oh, I forgot. It's to keep them from blowing us up. We have to coddle them to keep them from blowing us up. Or keep them from letting cousin Hasan blow us up.

We should be accepting them and integrating to our society...

I see. You want to pack Western countries with Muslims, and then coddle them like little babies in hopes of creating a class of "integrated" Muslims. Nevermind the oxymoronic quality of "integrated Muslims". Nevermind that coddling people usually spoils them and gives them a bloated sense of entitlement. And, in the case of the Muslims, makes them think Allah is steady working on us.

"Integrated" Muslims, breeding like rabbits. Beam me up, Scotty.

then the minority that caused 9/11 and all this other terrible loss of life will be isolated and muslims will be more willing to go to the cops that cousin hasan is planning to drive a car into the US embassy.

Sorry, I'm not following your reasoning. We have to do whatever is necessary to make the Muslims like us more than they like cousin Hasan? Or they'll let cousin Hasan blow us up?

And what if, despite all our efforts, they still like cousin Hasan better?

Fuck em. Deport all the assholes, if that's the way they are. We don't have time to be coddling their special asses.

Bigotry towards them just drives them into the arms of the nutters.

Yeah, I know how they feel. When Christians are bigoted toward my atheism, it makes me want to rush into Charlie Manson's arms. The bastards. Charlie would understand.

But I'm beginning to see where you're coming from. These Muslims are some seriously messed up people, requiring some serious coddling to get our hands on their shoulders and our feet on their butt cheeks. It's going to be a hard pull.

Quite often the community doesn't trust the police so therefor wont do anything when they know something is happening.

Well, those people just have all kinds of problems, don't they. And all their problems immediately become our problems as soon as they step off the plane from Egypt.

Makes me want to bring in planeload after planeload of them. They're exactly what we need around here.

Shit for a forum thats meant to be rational and all there is alot of irrational bigotry flying around in this thread and basically all threads relating to Islam.

How is forcing upon us the responsibility to accept, coddle, and integrate the Muslims "rational"? I don't owe a Muslim a fucking thing. Or you either.

I mean we would be jumping up and down if Atheist were getting treated like muslims are these days.

How do you think Muslims are being treated these days? Is criticism of their jacked belief system too much for their fragile psyches?

They better get used to it. That's the way it is in Western culture. Belief systems are fair game in these here parts. Learning that would be step 1 in their "integration" process. If they're having problems with step 1...well. Good luck with step 2. Yeah, that's right, Muslims. You can't kill people for ideological reasons. Not even your own daughters. Yeah, it's a bitch, I know.

Last I heard, they are being allowed to do much as they please, albeit with the occasional small group of protesters waving mosque-protesting signs at them.

Atheists are routinely treated worse than Muslims. Try running for office as an atheist. Try running for dogcatcher as an atheist. There are Muslims in congress, but there are no avowed atheists that I know of.

So cry me a river.

[JimC]

A mosque is no different from a church synagogue temple or anything of that sort. If we are a tolerant society therefor freedom to worship has to be granted to all.The trick is not to isolate them and alienate them thats what has lead to muslims blowing themselves up in the UK and going over to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight holy jihad.

We should be accepting them and integrating to our society then the minority that caused 9/11 and all this other terrible loss of life will be isolated and muslims will be more willing to go to the cops that cousin hasan is planning to drive a car into the US embassy.Bigotry towards them just drives them into the arms of the nutters. Quite often the community doesn't trust the police so therefor wont do anything when they know something is happening.

Shit for a forum thats meant to be rational and all there is alot of irrational bigotry flying around in this thread and basically all threads relating to Islam. I mean we would be jumping up and down if Atheist were getting treated like muslims are these days.

There is something in what you say, red, especialy about the potential for radicalisation, in the context of how moderate muslims are treated...

However, Islam does want to play by separate rules. It wants no opposition to building mosques anywhere in the west, or it will cry foul and enlist the help of the confused left to assist... (deep down, the left is for the high jump when the world-wide caliphate is established...)

But of course, different rules apply when the filthy infidels wish to display their particular delusion on the holy ground of islam (which is a work in progress, the fundamentalists certainly want it to be the entire Earth)

[Toontown]

Only the terminally naive can fail to recognize that the long range goal of Islam is to breed itself to world domination. This is to be accomplished by the simple expedients of immigration, non-assimilation, and unrestrained breeding.

That's right, geniuses. The mosque is it's armory. The baby cannon is it's primary weapon.

And it will kick your asses. You have no defense against it. None. Islam will rule the earth, and there is nothing you people will do about it.

lol. This would hold more weight if you weren't against everything that even vaguely criticised America.

Really? People would think, "Wow. What he said there carries a lot of weight, because he's not against everything that even vaguely criticizes America."??

That's a complete non-sequitur. Frankly, your ideas would carry more weight if they were more coherent.

Dude, I was banned from the freaking rathole for criticizing fucking Russia. And now, to have to endure your bitching because I give obsessive Amerika-bashers a bit of a hard time, is as welcome as a fucking mosquito buzzing in my ear.

Fuck it. I hereby declare total ideological war on all Amerika-bashers. And may Gawd have mercy on their misbegotten souls.