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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 19, 2010 8:14 pm

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Tails Turrosaki wrote:That's for when you have time to think about it. Sometimes I'm asked if I want to go to Burger King or Wendy's in the van when we're right by them. I have to choose fast. :ddpan:
Yeah, I know the feeling. I went from being a high school kid to a killer in less that 9 months. It was a hard tuition.

Have you ever tried non-verbal responses? Just point at one? In the above case it's really not that much of a choice, is it?
But then you'll be all, "NO WAIT!! That one... ACTUALLY NEVER MIND the other one... I LIED the first one..." e_e
There comes a point where you have to call the ball, get off the dime, pull your finger out, etc. Practice now that while you have the luxury of learning from your mistakes.
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Tails Turrosaki » Wed May 19, 2010 8:20 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:Don't forget jingoism, patriots maybe annoying, nationalists maybe twats, but jingos are dangerous.
DOWN WITH THE FLAG WAVERS. :lay:
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 19, 2010 8:21 pm

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RuleBritannia wrote:Don't forget jingoism, patriots maybe annoying, nationalists maybe twats, but jingos are dangerous.
DOWN WITH THE FLAG WAVERS. :lay:
We don't want to fight;
But, by Jingo, if we do,
We've got the ships, we've got the men,
And we've got the money too.
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Robert_S » Wed May 19, 2010 8:42 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:Don't forget jingoism, patriots maybe annoying, nationalists maybe twats, but jingos are dangerous.
Jingoism is just a nationalism with a little reckless war-fever to spice it up. Sorta like a college football game with guns.

I don't know, perhaps there's a better word for it. I am fond of this country and what it could become if we ever get over ourselves. i could go on about how similar the word "Patriotism" is to "Fatherland" but the Godwin squad might come for me in the night.

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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Toontown » Wed May 19, 2010 9:18 pm

Members of the armed forces of the U.S. are required to swear an oath of allegiance to...

the constitution. :o

Not the government, not even the people. They are not required to obey unlawful orders from anyone, not even the commander in chief. OTC, they are required not to obey unlawful orders.

In fact, they are required by their oath to take action against any enemy of the constitution, irrespective of said enemy's nationality or place of residence.

Thus, in the eyes of the U.S. armed forces, patriotism is allegience to a set of ideas and laws, not to a country, not to a person, not to a population.

If you don't deserve to be defended, then the armed forces acknowledge no obligation to defend you. Thus, if you don't deserve to be defended, you'll be needing some luck. IOW, don't call us. We'll call you.

Do you fucking understand?

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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

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Toontown wrote:Members of the armed forces of the U.S. are required to swear an oath of allegiance to...

the constitution. :o

Not the government, not even the people. They are not required to obey unlawful orders from anyone, not even the commander in chief. OTC, they are required not to obey unlawful orders.

In fact, they are required by their oath to take action against any enemy of the constitution, irrespective of said enemy's nationality or place of residence.

Thus, in the eyes of the U.S. armed forces, patriotism is allegience to a set of ideas and laws, not to a country, not to a person, not to a population.

If you don't deserve to be defended, then the armed forces acknowledge no obligation to defend you. Thus, if you don't deserve to be defended, you'll be needing some luck. IOW, don't call us. We'll call you.

Do you fucking understand?
Well thank you for the information about the oath the US forces take . What I don't "Fucking understand" is the anger and hostility in your post .
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Tails Turrosaki » Wed May 19, 2010 9:27 pm

Toontown wrote:Members of the armed forces of the U.S. are required to swear an oath of allegiance to...

the constitution. :o

Not the government, not even the people. They are not required to obey unlawful orders from anyone, not even the commander in chief. OTC, they are required not to obey unlawful orders.

In fact, they are required by their oath to take action against any enemy of the constitution, irrespective of said enemy's nationality or place of residence.

Thus, in the eyes of the U.S. armed forces, patriotism is allegience to a set of ideas and laws, not to a country, not to a person, not to a population.

If you don't deserve to be defended, then the armed forces acknowledge no obligation to defend you. Thus, if you don't deserve to be defended, you'll be needing some luck. IOW, don't call us. We'll call you.

Do you fucking understand?
Yes but I don't give two shits. :razzle:
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Toontown » Wed May 19, 2010 9:36 pm

Tails Turrosaki wrote:
Toontown wrote:Members of the armed forces of the U.S. are required to swear an oath of allegiance to...

the constitution. :o

Not the government, not even the people. They are not required to obey unlawful orders from anyone, not even the commander in chief. OTC, they are required not to obey unlawful orders.

In fact, they are required by their oath to take action against any enemy of the constitution, irrespective of said enemy's nationality or place of residence.

Thus, in the eyes of the U.S. armed forces, patriotism is allegience to a set of ideas and laws, not to a country, not to a person, not to a population.

If you don't deserve to be defended, then the armed forces acknowledge no obligation to defend you. Thus, if you don't deserve to be defended, you'll be needing some luck. IOW, don't call us. We'll call you.

Do you fucking understand?
Yes but I don't give two shits. :razzle:
Of course you don't. You are hiding among those the armed forces do feel obligated to defend.

Just don't get separated from the herd.

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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 19, 2010 9:37 pm

Toontown wrote:Of course you don't. You are hiding among those the armed forces do feel obligated to defend.

Just don't get separated from the herd.
Toon, Tails is fourteen. I don't think he's quite ready for boot camp yet. Give the guy some slack, okay?
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Toontown » Wed May 19, 2010 9:53 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Toontown wrote:Of course you don't. You are hiding among those the armed forces do feel obligated to defend.

Just don't get separated from the herd.
Toon, Tails is fourteen. I don't think he's quite ready for boot camp yet. Give the guy some slack, okay?
He can have all the slack he wants, as long as he keeps his ass out of the armed forces and his hands off the constitution.

What's wrong with a little friendly advice? Is a 14's brain considered too undeveloped for grown-up advice?

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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 19, 2010 9:55 pm

Toontown wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Toontown wrote:Of course you don't. You are hiding among those the armed forces do feel obligated to defend.

Just don't get separated from the herd.
Toon, Tails is fourteen. I don't think he's quite ready for boot camp yet. Give the guy some slack, okay?
He can have all the slack he wants, as long as he keeps his ass out of the armed forces and his hands off the constitution.

What's wrong with a little friendly advice? Is a 14's brain considered too undeveloped for grown-up advice?
Friendly usually doesn't come out of the barrel of a gun, my friend.
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Toontown » Wed May 19, 2010 10:06 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Toontown wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Toontown wrote:Of course you don't. You are hiding among those the armed forces do feel obligated to defend.

Just don't get separated from the herd.
Toon, Tails is fourteen. I don't think he's quite ready for boot camp yet. Give the guy some slack, okay?
He can have all the slack he wants, as long as he keeps his ass out of the armed forces and his hands off the constitution.

What's wrong with a little friendly advice? Is a 14's brain considered too undeveloped for grown-up advice?
Friendly usually doesn't come out of the barrel of a gun, my friend.
What gun? Is he an enemy of the constitution?

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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 19, 2010 10:09 pm

Toontown wrote:What gun? Is he an enemy of the constitution?
*pat, pat, pat*
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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Toontown » Wed May 19, 2010 10:26 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Toontown wrote:What gun? Is he an enemy of the constitution?
*pat, pat, pat*
What are you getting all pseudo-morally superior about? I was talking about the military oath of allegiance, which every member of the armed forces takes. The oath says what it says. Presumably it means what it says. You presumably took it. So what did you think it meant?

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Re: Patriotism and Nationalism

Post by Tails Turrosaki » Wed May 19, 2010 10:53 pm

Toontown wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Toontown wrote:Of course you don't. You are hiding among those the armed forces do feel obligated to defend.

Just don't get separated from the herd.
Toon, Tails is fourteen. I don't think he's quite ready for boot camp yet. Give the guy some slack, okay?
He can have all the slack he wants, as long as he keeps his ass out of the armed forces and his hands off the constitution.

What's wrong with a little friendly advice? Is a 14's brain considered too undeveloped for grown-up advice?
Thank you. :clap: However, I don't ever plan on "serving my country"... It's a fucking piece of land. Only your family and friends will remember your death. Nobody else will care. How can you be proud of "dying for your country" when the country doesn't even remember you?
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