Ian wrote:Seth, we all know that so many more kids die from car crashes, leukemia, et cetera et cetera than die from gun violenece. So what. That's a sidestep; we can't do much about those thing except to make cars and traffic laws safer (done that and still doing it), find a cure for leukemia (working on it), etc. The difference here is intent.
More kids die each year from intentional injuries inflicted by their parents.
That's what makes yesterday's case stand out so much, even though there were possibly more kids who died yesterday from leukemia around the country. In this instance, we just might be able to do something about it. But thanks to the pro-gun lobby, the people who have convinced themselves through paranoia that imposing tougher access to guns will eventually lead to an unarmed slave population, actually accomplishing anything which might prevent this from happening yet again is an exceedingly difficult thing to do.
The point is that you are dancing on the graves of these children before they are even in the ground in your zeal to forward a gun-control agenda that
cannot prevent such things from happening in the future. You're living in a hoplophobic dream world Ian. The guns used in this incident were
stolen by the killer and had been lawfully owned by his mother when he killed her and stole them.
Imposing tougher restrictions on access to guns is
not going to prevent insane, deranged persons from obtaining guns by theft.
And while we don't know yet, it's highly likely that the killer was not disqualified from owning firearms due to mental illness prior to this incident, and the existing regulation prohibiting anyone under the age of 21 years (the killer was 20 according to the reports I've seen) from owing a handgun didn't do a damned bit of good, now did it?
The issue is not that you want to "do something about it" it's that what you want to do has quite literally nothing whatever to do with protecting schoolchildren against deranged killers, it's purely an anti-gun hoplophobe agenda at work that exploits the deaths of these children rather than looking at things that could actually save lives, like school security design, armed teachers and staff, and trained armed citizens guarding the schools on a voluntary basis.
All the gun haters can see when something like this happens is "we've got to get rid of/control access to guns," which has never stopped ANY criminal from obtaining a firearm illegally with which to commit a crime.
Focus on the real problem for once. The real problem is lax school security and an unwillingness on the part of predominantly liberal/leftist anti-gun teachers and administrators to own up to the fact that unicorn farts and pretty pictures aren't going to protect children against deranged armed killers.
The only things that can actually protect the children are physical barriers and procedures to keep them out of the school and armed persons inside the school who are trained and prepared to at least divert the killer's plans by shooting at him, thus giving kids time to escape or find safety.
There simply is no other solution. Banning guns, restricting access...non of that will work, and most of it's been tried, specifically in Connecticut, where a permit to buy, sell or carry a handgun is required, and "assault weapons" are banned, unless lawfully owned prior to 1994 and which have been permitted subsequent to that time by the owner.
It's already illegal under state and federal law to possess so much as a single round of ammunition, much less a firearm, if you do so with the intent to commit a crime with it.
So all the laws in the world won't stop someone intent on committing murder from obtaining and using a firearm illegally to do so.
The only thing that can prevent such mass killings is the presence of law-abiding armed persons on the spot at the time the attack happens who are willing and able to intervene and protect others.
Period.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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