What would a true communist society/country look like?

[sandinista]

In a communist society, the community would evaluate what the community needs done, and assign people with the ability to do it. You want to be an actor? Nope - the community needs ditch diggers.

That's a terrible argument. A communist society would likely have the same ratio of actors to ditch diggers as a capitalist society would, and in a capitalist society you can still only work where there's work available - so you'd have exactly the same opportunities.

Communism worsens everyone's lot.

What on earth are you basing this on?! Greater inequality tends to increase problems in society, cooperation is more productive than competition, and in a capitalist society there can be whole industries that exist only to keep themselves going, with no real benefit to society at all. If anything communism would improve everyone's lot, more than capitalism could.

true that...on both accounts.

[Clinton Huxley]

Capitalism. It's fucking great if you are one of the winners. If you are vomiting your lungs out in a Chinese sweatshop it possibly leaves something to be desired

[sandinista]

exactly, what I have said on a number of occasions. Capitalism is great for the wealthy and privileged. Which, of course is why the wealthy and privileged tend to defend it to the point of religiosity. When someone says "capitalism works", it means "works" for those on the good end of it.

[Toontown]

Capitalism. It's fucking great if you are one of the winners. If you are vomiting your lungs out in a Chinese sweatshop it possibly leaves something to be desired

Uh, yeah...except the Chinese sweat shop is a commie thang.

The Chinese are commies, you know. Well, maybe not "true" commies, but we still haven't worked out what that is, have we. So we don't really know, do we.

[Feck]

Capitalism. It's fucking great if you are one of the winners. If you are vomiting your lungs out in a Chinese sweatshop it possibly leaves something to be desired

Uh, yeah...except the Chinese sweat shop is a commie thang.

The Chinese are commies, you know. Well, maybe not "true" commies, but we still haven't worked out what that is, have we. So we don't really know, do we.

Hang on..... I think I said this this in another thread but you really are a fucking idiot aren't you !(when I say fucking I use that as an expletive because I pity the poor idiot that would ever fuck such a self- centred narrow-minded moron like you ) Every morning my dog leaves things with more brains than you on the grass.

[Toontown]

Capitalism. It's fucking great if you are one of the winners. If you are vomiting your lungs out in a Chinese sweatshop it possibly leaves something to be desired

Uh, yeah...except the Chinese sweat shop is a commie thang.

The Chinese are commies, you know. Well, maybe not "true" commies, but we still haven't worked out what that is, have we. So we don't really know, do we.

Hang on..... I think I said this this in another thread but you really are a fucking idiot aren't you !(when I say fucking I use that as an expletive because I pity the poor idiot that would ever fuck such a self- centred narrow-minded moron like you ) Every morning my dog leaves things with more brains than you on the grass.

You not being worth the expenditure of much of my time, I referred your moronic spiel to my insult bot, which had this to say:

Just when I think, "Surely this person has reached and encapsulates the limits of Internet tedium" you go and push the boundary even further. Clearly, you spend way too much time in darkened rooms in front of your seven-year-old computer turning a whiter shade of pale. Go outside once in a while and breathe, before your brain starts to rot from all that festering stagnation and cognitive dysfunction.

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself on the Internet.
It seems your fingers not only did your typing, but did your thinking too. Have you considered suing your brain for non-support? Reading your post makes blindness a wonderful thing to look forward to. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line. Seriously, I've come across decomposing dog carcases that are less offensive to the senses than you are. Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren't so dumb that even blondes tell jokes about you; if the chief excitement in your meaningless life wasn't spotting people who are fatter than you are, or if you didn't have a face that makes your dentist treat you by mail-order.

[FBM]

Feck, Toon, lower the temperature here, please. Play nice. Thank you.

[Feck]

TL:DR ,But no I I said my bit .

[Trolldor]

The Chinese Sweatshop is not a 'commie thing'. It's funded and operated by, and to produce goods for, most of the world's capitalist enterprises.

lol.

[Pappa]

The Chinese Sweatshop is not a 'commie thing'. It's funded and operated by, and to produce goods for, most of the world's capitalist enterprises.

lol.

Plus, they exist in lots of other countries where there are democratic elections but lots of poor people.... India being a prime example. In some parts of West Africa, children are regularly trafficked and used as slaves on cocoa plantations... the price of a bar of chocolate in the rest of the world is what causes this.

[Coito ergo sum]

In a communist society, the community would evaluate what the community needs done, and assign people with the ability to do it. You want to be an actor? Nope - the community needs ditch diggers.

That's a terrible argument. A communist society would likely have the same ratio of actors to ditch diggers as a capitalist society would, and in a capitalist society you can still only work where there's work available - so you'd have exactly the same opportunities.

That can't be. In our society today, you can quit your ditchdigger job regardless of what "the community" thinks and you can move out to LA and try your hand at acting. You can roll the dice, and see if you make it. In a communist society, since the community decides your ability and what it is that you need to "give" in order to get what the community thinks you "need," then you would not have that choice.

So, not only would an individual in a communist society be limited by whether there was "work available," but the individual would also be limited by the desire of "the community."

Communism worsens everyone's lot.

What on earth are you basing this on?!

One, every place communism has yet been tried.

Two, the words of communist writers who tell us what they're talking about.

Three, Sandinista's own words, for example, where he says that to move to communism we would necessarily need to "downgrade" our lifestyle. That, to me, is a worsening of everyone's lot, if most people have to take a downgrade.

Greater inequality tends to increase problems in society,

Funny, it seems like communist Russia had far more problems and far more equality.

cooperation is more productive than competition,

Then why have the most competitive nations been the most productive?

and in a capitalist society there can be whole industries that exist only to keep themselves going, with no real benefit to society at all. If anything communism would improve everyone's lot, more than capitalism could.

You have any examples of this in the real world?

Communism doesn't even OFFER to improve everyone's lot. It's telling you, flat out, "to each according to his need." "Need" is far below the level where people in western capitalist, market economies, or hybrid economies live. We don't live at the level of "to each according to his need." We live above that. If all we got was what we "need," and yet we still had to give/work with all of our "ability," that is - by its own terms - a downgrade. Now, even the vast majority of the relatively poor live well above their needs in non-communist societies.

For communism to be a step up, it must be that most of the US and Canada, for example, live below their needs right now, and that if we instituted communism that we'd take a step up to the point of living at our needs.

[Coito ergo sum]

In a communist society, the community would evaluate what the community needs done, and assign people with the ability to do it. You want to be an actor? Nope - the community needs ditch diggers.

That's a terrible argument. A communist society would likely have the same ratio of actors to ditch diggers as a capitalist society would, and in a capitalist society you can still only work where there's work available - so you'd have exactly the same opportunities.

Communism worsens everyone's lot.

What on earth are you basing this on?! Greater inequality tends to increase problems in society, cooperation is more productive than competition, and in a capitalist society there can be whole industries that exist only to keep themselves going, with no real benefit to society at all. If anything communism would improve everyone's lot, more than capitalism could.

true that...on both accounts.

Really? You're the one who said that we in the US and Canada would get a downgrade through communism. Which is it? Are we going, overall, in general, going to live better under communism, or are we going to take a hit?

[Coito ergo sum]

Capitalism. It's fucking great if you are one of the winners. If you are vomiting your lungs out in a Chinese sweatshop it possibly leaves something to be desired

China is a communist country. If people are vomiting in their sweatshops, you might want to take it up with the community, or "the State."

[Pappa]

In a communist society, since the community decides your ability and what it is that you need to "give" in order to get what the community thinks you "need," then you would not have that choice.

You seem quite fixated on this idea that a person would not have freedom to choose their own job. Why do you think the community would decide what job you can and can't do in a communist society? I don't think it's ever been suggested that that would be the case in any form of communism I've read about.

[Clinton Huxley]

Business wise, china is capitalist. The bosses creaming it off at the top, western consumers getting their cheap baubles and the poor workers on minimal wages and zero health and safety, just the way we like it.