Healthcare... America and the rest

[Tero]

Republican/Ryan healthcare plan:
It will be a tax deduction for insurance paid. No websites, no enrollment. The insurance plans are handled state by state, even the "free market plans." In many states it will look like buying cable TV. Red states! "What are my choices?" Cable or satellite. Insurance or no insurance.

[laklak]

I imagine it's going to suck massive balls. but what else is new? Everything teh Gummint touches turns to massive ball sucking shit.

[Tero]

I imagine it's going to suck massive balls. but what else is new? Everything teh Gummint touches turns to massive ball sucking shit.

That only happens after the Dems start a program and the Trumpians defund it. "It's not working."

The Danish medical service is all run at county level. Feds only need to send the funds.

[Forty Two]

Most Americans believe in a kind and loving god, and in the power of prayer.

Why the fuck do they need health insurance?

Most Brits believe in that sort of God too.

[Forty Two]

Republican/Ryan healthcare plan:
It will be a tax deduction for insurance paid. No websites, no enrollment. The insurance plans are handled state by state, even the "free market plans." In many states it will look like buying cable TV. Red states! "What are my choices?" Cable or satellite. Insurance or no insurance.

That's not actually the choice. When Obamacare passed, 1/2 the uninsured made over $50,000 a year. Subsidies for single people stop at about $33,000 per year.

All you have to do to solve this problem is to raise the level at which people are eligible for Medicaid. Just subsidize the poor, and don't subsidize the people who can afford their own insurance.

I love how now that Trump is President, Democrats are free again to rail against the American healthcare system. For the past four years, all we've heard are people orgasming over how much Obama helped everyone and gave everyone health care. Now, of course, the doomsday predictions are out again.... politics of fear....

[Tero]

I've personally met 3 people who would be dead if they did not have Obamacare. One is in his 30s and has Wilson's didease.

[JimC]

Most Americans believe in a kind and loving god, and in the power of prayer.

Why the fuck do they need health insurance?

Most Brits believe in that sort of God too.

Many, many fewer than your country of god-botherers...

[Svartalf]

Well, any christian worth his salt will believe that god had us invent medicine to counteract the devil's diseases.

[Tero]

A handful of stories, out of millions
https://www.ofa.us/news/handful-of-aca- ... _stories_3
"My job offers health insurance, but to cover my entire family it would be $250 deducted out of every check as well as a $3000 deductible I would need to meet before our insurance would cover even 80 percent of our care. I have four kids, one of whom is in college, and there is just no way I can afford that. Obamacare allowed my children to be insured with a premium that I could afford! If I didn't have this, my family would have gone uninsured or I would have had to decide between food or a doctor visit. Thank goodness it hasn't come to that!!!!!" —Aisha C., North Las Vegas, NV

[Tero]

Some possibly true facts among a lot of guessing on Trump plan
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231191

[Tero]

Derringer:
Because the medical and health insurance industry was on the verge of collapsing on their own. The amount of leverage (debt) they had taken on was too high and couldn't be paid off. The "new therapies" that were being developed could not be priced at $80,000 for a course of treatment because almost nobody has that much money and thus there was no way to sell said treatment for that amount.

https://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www? ... st=3416314

[mistermack]

Mystery solved.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-he ... r-35719392
Man found in Hereford, England, suffering from dementia, who didn't know who he was or where he was from, was actually brought from LA by his family and abandoned. The BBC Panorama program tracked down his family to LA and tried to speak to his son, who wasn't in the mood to talk, but denied any involvement. He later said that a friend was supposed to take his father to hospital, and that's all he knows.
Long distance health tourism.
That's one way for yanks to get healthcare.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08d6txq

[Tero]

Trump-Ryan plan of Trumpcare

The replacement would be paid for by limiting tax breaks on generous health plans people get at work — an idea that is similar to the Obamacare “Cadillac tax” that Republicans have fought to repeal.

Speaker Paul Ryan said last week that Republicans would introduce repeal legislation after recess. But the GOP has been deeply divided about how much of the law to scrap, and how much to “repair,” and the heated town halls back home during the weeklong recess aren’t making it any easier for them.

HHS did not respond to a request for comment. The key House committees declined to comment on specifics of a draft that will change as the bill moves through the committees. The speaker's office deferred to the House committees.

In place of the Obamacare subsidies, the House bill starting in 2020 would give tax credits — based on age instead of income. For a person under age 30, the credit would be $2,000. That amount would double for beneficiaries over the age of 60, according to the proposal. A related document notes that HHS Secretary Tom Price wants the subsidies to be slightly less generous for most age groups.


The Republican plan would also eliminate Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion in 2020. States could still cover those people if they chose but they’d get a lot less federal money to do so. And instead of the current open-ended federal entitlement, states would get capped payments to states based on the number of Medicaid enrollees.

Another key piece of the Republican proposal: $100 billion in “state innovation grants” to help subsidize extremely expensive enrollees. That aims to address at least a portion of the “pre-existing condition” population, though without the same broad protections as in the Affordable Care Act.

According to the document, there’s only one single revenue generator to pay for the new tax credits and grants. Republicans are proposing to cap the tax exemption for employer sponsored insurance at the 90th percentile of current premiums. That means benefits above that level would be taxed.

And while health care economists on both sides of the aisle favor tax-limits along those lines, politically it’s a hard sell. Both businesses and unions fought the Obamacare counterpart, dubbed the Cadillac tax.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/h ... age-235343

[Tero]

It was Peterson, a pig farmer from the Hawkeye State, who told Republican Senator Charles Grassley the other night that he was on Obamacare and that he wouldn’t be able to afford insurance without it, and who said to the senator: “And with all due respect, sir, you’re the man that talked about the death panels. We’re going to create one great big death panel in this country [because of the fact] that people can’t afford to get insurance.”
You remember Grassley and his infamous tweets from 2009 about pulling the plug on grandma and all that. It was insanely demagogic. The actual proposal in question was some language in the House version of the Affordable Care Act that would have required Medicare to cover voluntary consultations between individuals and their doctors about end-of-life care. It was one of the worst examples (not the worst—there’s always Sarah Palin for that) of plainly false fear-mongering that helped make the law so unpopular.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... itter_page

[Tero]

"Obamacare forced providers to limit the plan options they offered to patients and caused them to drive prices way up," Trump said. "Now a third of U.S. counties are down to one insurer, and the insurers are fleeing. You people know that better than anybody."

Of course it did, as those other plans were no good for anyone!

In remarks to the National Governors Association before the meeting with insurers, Trump said that the plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act would give states the flexibility they need to make health care work. He also said the politically wise thing for Republicans would be to let the law "implode" so that its failure can be blamed on the Democrats.

"Let it be a disaster, because we can blame that on the Dems that are in our room -- and we can blame that on the Democrats and President Obama," Trump said. "But we have to do what's right, because Obamacare is a failed disaster."

Ryan/Trumpcare is almost identical to Obamacare but with less subsidy. So it will collapse too. There are no sign ups in the middle of the year unless you lose your job so that part is bullshit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... a064acac97